Comments on: TransFormers Sequel News !!!

By: DarthChop

DarthChop — Sat, 30 May 2009 13:08:20 +0000

I think the new AstroBoy movie’s gonna be all CG like Toy Story…
And there is an old Thundercats movie (I think), just check on youtube for the trailer (dunno if this movie was actually made though)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_4Ju6ZqKPU

But the movie I’d love to see (no matter how badly they screw it up) is Bionic 6… that would be ass-kickingly awesome!

And who the f*ck is this dude going on about Megan Fox !?!

By: BitSurround

BitSurround — Sat, 30 May 2009 07:30:49 +0000

Wait wait wait wait…. I quote
“as the idea with turning advanced robots into eath equivalents has merit, but I say again if you put it in teletran’s perspective (or that satellite that randomly looked for earth forms)it makes perfect sense that the f-15 form was taken from a museum or better yet from out in the desert where spare military aircraft is kept. and there are many f-15 in storage sitting outdoors.(much the same way the autobost form could easily be from a car wrecking yard or truck expo..)”

Specifically about the F15 being used instead of the more advanced and present day military aircraft the F22 Raptor….

Ummm you do realize that the F15 was REPLACED by the F22 in today’s military because of it’s superior maneuverability, firepower, electronics, and overall “whoopassability” (my word.. will be added to websters soon I am sure). If the decepticons were to take the form of an F15 the USAF F22s flying in would have turned the F15 into scrap metal in a matter of seconds. Ummm.. I think it was already totally covered in the original movie’s discussion here on this site…. that with GM footing a large…no…forget large… GINORMOUS (not my word) of the movie’s total production budget… that using old cars and trucks from scrap yards and “truck expos” would be kindof a slap in the face to the movies primary financier… And w00kiewhiner’s rants about the bumblebee should have been a VW New Beetle instead of a camaro… and Jazz being a porche instead of the Pontiac Solstice… DUDE.. Go whine somewhere else or just sit back…. watch the movie and show some freaking RESPECT for someone doing something that nobody on this entire discussion has the means, talent, and financial backing to do their OWN multimillion dollar box office SMASH HIT.

By: BitSurround

BitSurround — Sat, 30 May 2009 07:06:25 +0000

Hold on here Wookie.. now I know I am getting into THIS discussion a bit late in the game to be replying to such an old post…(sorry, I have better things to do with my time here lately than watch you sit and whine like a little schoolgirl)…but here goes.

First of all… REMEMBER ME??? I was the one that got you all worked up about the GM cars vs old show cars in the 1st place. Well, I am back you sniveling whining little poor excuse for a fan.. so expect some more replies from me on this thread.

Second… and in regards to your issue about peter cullen getting call and then why didn’t frank get the call… who’s to say that frank DIDN’T get the call but he thought… “Nah, I’m just not up for it these days”

More to come as I read more of your fruitless rants about a movie that you have seen probably 100+ times (and probably own 4 copies of)… AND the movie that is coming soon to a theater near all of us… that you will undoubtably watch on the big screen 20+ times (being a fan and all like you say)…and then proceed to whine relentlessly for another year until there’s word of another sequel (which from what I understand is already contracted out on the books)……… putz

By: Neo08

Neo08 — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 04:29:25 +0000

I don’t know what the big damn fuss is about? Hell it was a good movie, i don’t care what the people say about it. It’s just a damn movie hell if you’ve got kids they’ll sure enjoy it. Life goes on let’em produce there movies they’ll enjoy, why can’t everyone else.. If you don’t like it, 90% of everyone else will.ccccchhhhiiiillllll!!!

By: Vengeful NERD

Vengeful NERD — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:40:56 +0000

Thank you, w00kie! Seriously, this is COMEDY GOLD!!! This is like John Edwards’s “Two America’s” concept, except it’s actually “Two Realities”: there is the reality that we all live in; and there is the reality that w00kie lives in. Here, in our reality, people can debate over movies, politics, sports, etc., and it’s typically (though not always) done in an intelligent, respectful manner. Yet, in w00kie’s reality, one person can put forth legitimate arguments, based on either simple opinions or facts, or make counter-arguments that demonstrate and de-legitimize an opponent’s arguments; but instead of re-establishing those arguments and making them stronger, the opponent (e.g., w00kie) keeps repeating that no one can tell him he’s wrong, because he says so.
w00kie, my problem is that you throw out the term ‘logic,’ and you don’t seem to have any grasp of what that really means. Part of what constitutes ‘logic’ is the understanding of inferences made through either deductive or inductive reasoning. To be an inference, it must be consistent (not contradictory), sound (a false premise will never be found to be true), and complete (no inferences that follow the premise will ever be found to be untrue). Every time you’ve used the word ‘logic’ you’ve stated as your premise the original G1 cartoon. Even using that as a premise for a live-action film is flawed based on the very nature of live-action and animation. Moving along, the premise of TF, as I’ve stated many times, is ALIEN ROBOTS WHO CAN DISGUISE THEMSELVES AS EARTH-MADE MACHINES FIGHTING A WAR ON OUR PLANET. Nothing in that premise refers to WHAT they MUST look like, or WHAT COLOR they MUST be, or any number of the trivial details that you persist must be worked into the film. Your mistake is thinking that they were a necessary element of the cartoon. If they were, they’d naturally be inferred in each robot’s character. The only things that must be included are the essential character traits of the robots: Prime’s leadership; Megatron’s evil; Starscream’s disloyalty and ineptitude; Ironhide’s toughness; Bumblebee’s connection with the humans he protects; or Jazz’s obsession with popular cultural traits (i.e., his speech patterns and slang usage). These things were all in the cartoon, and they were all in the film. The reason they were there, is because movie directors, such as Bay, know that good solid characters need those things to be who they are. What they look like is practically irrelevant, or at least far less important than whom they really are. Nothing that Bay or Spielberg has done has changed any of those essential traits for those characters. You keep claiming that they aren’t the same, and here’s proof that they truly are the Transformers we all know and have grown attached to for 20-some-odd years.
So, I’m a “keyboard mutant,” huh? Then tell me, is my ‘mutant ability’ common sense? I haven’t ‘spun’ anything either. These are your words, directed at myself and at others. As much as you want to deny it, all I’ve done is taken what’s come directly from you and turned it around. THAT is what you learn in law school – how to argue against people using what they perceive to be their ‘strengths’ and make them into weaknesses. In truth, that’s all any lawyer does, apart from reading statutes and laws all day long. I understand, it hurts to be exposed this way, but don’t take it personally w00kie.
In case w00kie hasn’t yet seen the toys (Hasbro unveiled some of them yesterday, I think), I don’t want to take him to task for his slight oversight on Devastator. He is, in fact, made up of six robots: two earth-movers (bulldozers), a crane, a hydraulic shovel, a dump truck, and a cement mixer. But of course, he finds it reprehensible that they aren’t all mint green and Grimace purple – Grimace being the mysterious McDonald land character. Like I’ve said, time and time again, the colors aren’t essential to the characters in the movie – they were barely essential for the cartoon, if only so that little kids would be able to tell them apart (that’s how a lot of kids associate things when they’re young, by colors). Not surprisingly, w00kie misreads what I wrote, claiming that I said “There aren’t colored construction vehicles in the world.” What I wrote was, the odds of finding a set of six different vehicles that are ALL the same color in the same construction site – or even better, at six different landing sites – is more than a mere stretch of common sense. Is it not far more likely that the six robots, crash-landing in six different locations, will find vehicles that are different colors or the same color? That’s actually a rhetorical question, w00kie, so don’t hurt yourself thinking that one out. I will admit, part of the flaws that I believe can be improved with this second film all boil down to editing, and one of those was the use of the names Devastator and Bonecrusher for the robots in the first film. But the best part is that they were just names, and they were only flashed on screen for a moment; none of the Autobots or Decepticons actually used them a second time, so if Bay & Co. were to use them again, or just use Devastator again and give the Constructicon a new name, that’s not something that will cause the TF Universe to implode. Out of all the things you claim to be an abomination, w00kie, this is one that will be noted, but also fixed, so I wouldn’t waste my energies railing against that one for too long.
Another thing that I can’t let go is w00kie’s claim that Ravage is now a dinosaur. Is he watching the same teaser that we’ve all seen? Exactly what kind of dinosaur is Ravage, w00kie? He looks closer to being a large, wild cat in those few seconds we see him than he is of being a dinosaur. Tell me the truth, w00kie: has your hatred for this film and everything non-G1 caused you to suffer a psychotic break? Even the new 2-minute trailer doesn’t show Ravage looking anything like a dinosaur (I’m not even sure I remember seeing him). This is my main beef with you, w00kie. You can’t just make stuff up, and then whine about me ‘spinning’ the truth, when it wasn’t even accurate to begin with.
Seriously, w00kie, I’d like you to point out one – JUST NAME ONE – argument of yours that I’ve yet to touch. I really wasn’t kidding when I said I looked over the entire page’s worth of posts from you to myself, or even you to other posters, and the one point you raised that I had not yet brought up I actually wrote about; say the word, w00kie, and I’ll post every last little sentence you’ve written on this page that I’ve looked over. Please, PLEASE, point out just one – JUST ONE – of my “many inaccuracies” that you can’t stop ranting about. Better yet: if ANYBODY else that even reads this, and can point out just one of my “inaccuracies” with respect to ANYTHING that w00kie has said to me, I will apologize immediately. I won’t promise that I won’t call you out if you’re wrong, but let’s not get carried away.

By: w00kie

w00kie — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:45:04 +0000

WOW… that’s one hell of a list you got there Vengeful NERD, and you complied it all by yourself, and that’s meant to prove what exactly..?? That your good with the old cut & paste.. Ahhh, Vengeful NERD you disappoint me, your really nothing more then a keyboard mutant, a serial blogger who visits forums like this one trying to make out that you know more then everyone else.. Replying to posts regardless of how inaccurate and flawed your replies are.. You can spin shit to people who have no clue about the transformers, but don’t spin shit to me because it’s getting boring and rather tedious.. And from all that pointless effort of compiling such an award winning list, you somehow left out the points that you avoided to answer (once again scroll up the page) Here you trying to impress ‘certain’ people on this forum, but you left out all the important bits… I don’t even want to point out the irony here..

Unfortunately, my “talent” is wasted in law school…. So that’s how you know how to talk shit so well and twist words around, oh, and vengeful NERD, me commenting on your posts… nah, that’ll be way too easy, at least I wouldn’t be avoiding anything unlike someone on this forum.. I can’t wait for TF2 to come out, because I want to see what dribble you’ll be posting on this forum..

Word has it that Ravage is a dinosaur..?? WTF..?? A dinosaur, last time I checked he was a robotic jaguar.. Does Michael bay actually posses a brain cell..?? There could have been so much potential for ravage reprising the role of a robotic jaguar… but we are after all, dealing with an inferior movie director who totally botched the first movie along with Orci and Kurtzman… so why stop screwing quality franchises now..?? Now onto the topic of ‘devastator’, what the hell is that meant to be..?? Although my hopes have already been shattered by bringing back John Turturro who in my opinion was the worst film character in cinematic history.. I’ve never seen so much stupidity and corniness piled with bad dialogue and acting thrown at one character.. But Coloured Constructicons..?? WTF..?? Yes, Vengeful NERD, there are coloured construction vehicles in the world, so moving right along… A rainbow coloured mega transformer, it looks so gay, I mean seriously what is that meant to be..?? On top of that, word has it that there are 7 constructicons that make up devastator..?? 7..?? Did I miss something..??

Unless my math is just as screwed up as Michael Bay’s movie directing abilities, last time I checked 6 construction vehicles made him… does Michael Bay not know the history of the original series..?? If that is the case, who is the 7th..?? And wtf will they do, now that bonecrusher is dead..?? rebuild him..?? It’ll be kinda lame if devastator had no left arm..?? I know Vengeful NERD that it has been said before, but I really don’t understand why Michael Bay couldn’t just have an ounce of familiarity and logic..??

I am now ready for a real transformers movie instead of some
BIONICLE – GOBOTS hash up..!!

By: Vengeful NERD

Vengeful NERD — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:07:17 +0000

Wow Shawn, I appreaciate the offer, I really do. Unfortunately, my “talent” is wasted in law school right now, so I spend about 90% of my time reading and working – that’s actually why it took me so long to reply. Trust me, there’s nothing that sounds like more fun than to be able to talk TF all day, but sadly, I’m a little preoccupied. For what it’s worth, I think you do a great job maintaining the site and keeping things civil as well as entertaining.

By: Shawn

Shawn — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:56:17 +0000

Holy crap that was awesome. Epic WIN. Even if it crashed the page it would be worth it.

If perhaps you wanted to use your powers for good and write for the site I would love to have you! I haven’t been able to update it as much as it deserves lately. The pay sucks (ZERO) but you could have w00kie commenting on all of your posts. Let me know if you’re interested!

The traffic is decent (several hundred thousand hits a month), so you’d definitely get read.

By: Vengeful NERD

Vengeful NERD — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:25:15 +0000

Alright, after about a month of going over roughly 20-plus pages of posts from you, w00kie, I’ve come to the conclusion that you have an incredibly short-term memory. The last post you wrote claims that you’ve “shot me down with counter-points” and that you’re “ahead of me by a country mile” (after I gave myself a score of 3-0). Well, after reading every single post on this page, I honestly have found a couple of things that I feel need addressing. All of them were written by you, but not all of them were addressed to me. Here goes:
1. “The movie didn’t follow a single one of its plotlines through”; “what about the marks on the glasses?”
a. I don’t see what is wrong. Megatron’s own system imprinted the location of the cube on the glasses. Many decades later, humans stumbled upon the cube by accident. However, the Autobots needed the glasses to locate the cube. It certainly looks like it was concluded to me, which I said in one of my posts.
2. You referred multiple times to this “bullshit love/side-story” involving the humans (Sam).
a. Even in the cartoon, the Witwicky’s were a focal point for the viewers because – and this might be a shock to you – they represented the dominant and only intelligent beings on the planet. Chances are they would’ve had to have contact with them at some point, and in this case, it was rather coincidental that Sam’s grandfather found Megatron. The audience needs to be able to relate to the characters in the story; that’s what stories are for. Again, I stated this in a previous post.
3. You seem to think I never thought the boxy designs wouldn’t work; in fact, I never said that. You referenced a Citroen car commercial where the boxy designs (in your opinion) worked perfectly fine.
a. I checked those commercials out, and to my surprise, they looked exactly the way the Transformers did in the new movie; almost to the letter. The only difference is that the movie allowed the audience to see the parts actually move when the robots walked and moved around. I’m not sure where the problem here is, again, because you claimed that you ended up liking the skeletal designs regardless. If you liked them so much, why cry about them being different?
4. When I brought up the fact that the TF technology was only superior in the sense that it was more advanced, you tried to show that superior technology could not possibly be beaten by human weapons.
a. Not to rehash that point, but again, superior doesn’t mean indestructible or infallible. It just infers the level of advancement inherent in its components and how it works. But for kicks, think about this: in several G1 episodes, the Witwicky’s and other humans (Chip, Dr. Robot-helmet-guy) actually used HUMAN INVENTIONS to defeat Transformers. You can’t have it both ways, and I wrote that as well.
5. You insisted that Optimus Prime’s trailer, and it’s impractical nature in the cartoon, would not be a big deal if it were included in the film.
a. How could it not be a big deal? Unless the trailer was itself a robot with a consciousness, it would have to stay where OP left it. Not once did OP go back to where he was after being chased or after a battle. You can’t expect a 5-year-old not to notice that, much less adults. Also, I too have checked the G1 cartoon, and not once – NOT ONCE – did the trailer transform into the battle station like his toys did. Neither one of your explanations make any sense on any level. This was (surprise) in one of my posts
b. Then, you inexplicably tried to compare OP’s trailer to the ‘necessity’ of having a convertible actually drop its top. As I said then, a truck’s trailer is not connected to the truck itself, it’s an attachment. It’s still a rig, it’s just not hauling anything. A convertible without a removable top (get ready) IS NOT A CONVERTIBLE AT ALL, it’s a coupe.
6. You raged on and on about how incessantly evil it was for Bay to use different vehicles/color schemes for the Transformers.
a. You demanded that Bay use a new-age VW bug. I said that bugs would be seen as lame/weak/make BB look like a huge PUSSY, and you’re response was “just have them pimped up by WEST COAST CUSTOMS.” So, not only do you want BB to look like a pussy, you want him to be tacky as well. I added the ‘tacky’ part, but this was from one of my posts.
b. You wanted Ratchet to be either a new age ambulance or a H2 ambulance. I explained that I order for Ratchet to adopt the form of an ambulance, he would have to have crashed near a hospital, which means he was probably going to be spotted; thus, failing to remain ‘in disguise.’ I wrote that too, but I’ll add this: an H2 emergency vehicle is NO DIFFERENT than an H2 ambulance; I don’t believe H2 ambulances even exist.
c. For whatever insane reason, you’d rather see Ironhide as a minivan (dear God, why?) than as a utility truck. I mentioned on several occasions how lame and flat out stupid it was to have him as a van, even in G1, so what on earth has changed? Ironhide is supposed to be the muscle of the Autobots; I don’t see the connection between minivan and muscle.
d. You agreed that red is a very difficult color to photograph, but then wonder why another color red wasn’t used? If red is difficult to photograph, it doesn’t matter if it’s a different shade – IT’S STILL RED. If it were maroon, candy apple or crimson, it makes no difference. Hence, the reasoning that the blue was used to help make it appear better on camera, with red accents (flames) to help alleviate turning OP essentially into Ultra Magnus. I won’t take credit for this one, but since you brought it up, I might as well point it out.
e. You yourself couldn’t answer what benefits there were in choosing either an F-22 over a Mig-29, or vice versa. If you couldn’t choose either, what difference does it make which one was actually used? But then again, you’re unhappy with either, since they weren’t a red, blue and gray F-15, ala Top Gun but more homosexual.
7. You used so many bad examples to try to make analogies, I’m not sure I can list and explain all of them…but I’ll try:
a. Superman: I’m not sure how you can change anything in Supes’s mythology without actually changing Superman, literally, into something else, i.e., not Superman. This one you actually posed to another poster, but it stood out as another example of complete insanity.
b. A-Team (the van): if the A-Team drove around in a stoudebaker, we’d be talking about how rad it would be to get a stoudebaker and paint it exactly like the A-Team did; but if you didn’t, it would just be another ugly SUV. I wrote that in a post, but not using the same example. I think Rewind tried to explain how that didn’t make sense, but even his explanation fell short of anything remotely resembling human thought.
c. LOTR (twice): you brought this up twice, and it warrants mentioning that both times you ignored how the basic premise of LOTR is not comparable to a story set on our own planet, as opposed to Middle Earth. Rewind actually agreed with me on this one, but you brought it up again, for what reason, I still don’t understand.
d. War of the Worlds: here was your quintessential “bullshit side-story” analogy, and that one too was a loser. Spielberg, the genius that he is, realized that the scariest possible scenario for a family (since it was a family movie) would be its struggle to survive together against alien invasion. Naturally, a family typically consists of a mother and/or father, and whatever children might exist. That’s how the audience can relate to the story, and it makes it more entertaining for people to try to wrap their minds around what they would do in that type of situation. I wrote about this one after you tried to relate this to Sam’s role in the movie.
e. King Kong: dear God, I don’t see how my head didn’t explode the first time I read this. You invented some tale about Kong having sex with the blonde woman, and then he dive off of a diving board that for whatever reason was built on top of the Empire State Building, and somehow that explains what Bay has done to TF. I feel that the reason you went down this road was your claim, that I said that the premise of Kong was “a prehistoric ape living in the middle of nowhere,” and that “no matter what happens in between, as long as he dies in the end, everything will be fine.” That couldn’t be farther from not only truth, but REALITY. I said that the premise of Kong was the shock it would be when the old-world meets the new-world, and how the two can never co-exist. Moreover, whatever changes Bay made to TF didn’t change the premise of the story, which is quite simple: alien robots who can disguise themselves as vehicles. Nothing Bay has done, I explained, has changed the premise of the story. The colors, the model vehicles; none of it is essential for it to be TF, as long as the premise is the same.
f. The Departed: I really have no idea what the point of this example was. The Departed was a great movie, and I’m told the original was as well. What the hell is wrong with that? it looks like it makes my argument look stronger, not weaker.
g. Superman-Doomsday: this was a well-done movie, but I wasn’t greatly impressed, for a couple of reasons. For one, Doomsday is one of the worst Superman villains ever. I’m sorry, but a genetically engineered beast that cannot be defeated the same way twice? How many times have we seen that? Second, the move was almost two hours long, and Doomsday was only in it for a half-hour. If anything, you should have been pissed off that this wasn’t a carbon copy of the original story, since you love your 1:1 translations so much.
h. Shawshank Redemption/Green Mile: not sure how this helps you. Books based on very real and very realistic people, places and events – in short stories, no less – don’t have the same effect as alien robots do on the fictional spectrum. The only differences a director can really make is by leaving stuff out, not changing them. I’ll admit, I didn’t address this example directly, mainly because I didn’t take it seriously, so there’s your “one argument” that I missed.
8. You also have a habit of saying one things that are either inconsistent or down-right incoherent. Here are a few examples:
a. “If I were a director and used my imagination, I would’ve given the TF’s their ORIGINAL FORMS.” How is it “imaginative” to use the exact same designs that someone else did? Following that, you said “Bay’s designs aren’t even innovative.” No one else had done it before, so logically, that meets the very definition of innovative (but sense facts don’t seem to matter to you, I’ll move on).
b. “If a director doesn’t intend to make a 100% carbon copy of the original, why make it at all?” Yes, indeed, why use what you’ve worked your whole life to cultivate, your creative genius as a filmmaker, to try new things and dare to rattle a few cages, huh? But wait, then you followed with this tasty lick, “I don’t want a 1:1 copy, that’d be pointless.” So which is it? You don’t get to criticize someone for not wanting to make a complete copy of something, but claim that’s not what you want.
c. “OP’s characteristics don’t even match the cartoon.” Hmmm…other than the slightly different color scheme and model, his voice is the same, his leadership qualities appear intact, his compassion for humans was there, he was willing to sacrifice himself to save the earth….alright you got me, there isn’t anything different about OP’s CHARACTER, other than his appearance. He’s still the same noble OP, not a Go-Bot.
d. “Quit using MY points to argue MY points.” You seriously need to take a class in critical thinking; THAT’S HOW TO REFUTE AN ARGUMENT. You don’t get points for letting someone get away with saying something completely false; you turn it around and smack him around with it! Then, you make YOUR points.
9. Finally, we come to some of the ways you tried to demean me, such as accusing me of having someone else type in response for me (I don’t even care if you believe that, since I can’t really do anything to change your mind via typing), to calling me names like “newb,” and “pretender,” and eventually anointing yourself the Grand Vizier of Transformer Fans. Honestly, it felt good to get this all out. Shawn, I hope this doesn’t crash the page!

By: w00kie

w00kie — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:07:01 +0000

You da man Vengeful NERD, you are da man…. (don’t you just love sarcasm this early in the morning ) Once again, and I’m not at all surprised, you have pointed out how you counter argued and re-butted my points and whatnot, are you really that arrogant, naive and desperate..?? Every single post you have made thus far, you have stated how you re-butted this and counter argued that… like you said in your post that any creature with a brain stem can see that that is not the case… all you have to do is scroll up the page to see that..

If you really want to bring up the whole re-butting, counter argue rubbish on a regular basis… that’s fine with me, so if that is the case… do you really want me to point out all the topics that you brought up thus far that I shot you down with my counter points and my opinions..?? All you have to do is scroll up the page to see which ones, and yes, there’s a few of them that you missed… Which you for some strange reason avoided counter arguing, the great Vengeful NERD lost for words, instead opted to avoid it all together, because he knows that his wrong on all counts.. You disappoint me Vengeful NERD, here you are keeping count, thinking how you got under my skin, how you feel as though you re-butted me and so on… but what about all the questions you avoided answering..?? What about all the topics and opinions you brought up that you avoided after I counter argued them..??

Now with the perfect 1-1 statement that you kindly brought up yet again, I don’t want a perfect 1-1 carbon copy, that would be pointless… what i want and I have stated this time and time again, is all the elements that made the animated movie so much better then Michael Bay’s piece of crap ‘adaptation’, meaning all the emotion, the sadness (when Jazz went to the cybertronian junkyard in the sky), what about the whole protecting the humans code that the autobots live by..?? I didn’t see that in the movie, all I saw was explosions all round the humans in the city battle, i did not once see OP or the other autobots get humans out of harms way… the whole movie was about protecting Sam, but what about the rest of the human race..??

I wanted the vehicles to remain the same, like Jazz being Jazz with the pop culture attitude and OP being OP, because lets face it a truck is a truck, so why change it..?? With exception of ironhide and ratchet, if they couldn’t get nissan venettas, then at least get something that closely resembles a mini van or even a state of the art mini bus… something that say’s yep that’s ironhide, or yep that’s definitely ratchet… is that so fucking hard..?? Instead of this SUV pick-up bullshit or ratchet being an emergency vehicle with the wrong colour scheme.. That is the reason why Bays version has nothing on the animated movie..

As a parting note Vengeful NERD, it looks as though I have gotten under you skin, because your latest post shows anger and frustration in words you chose and how you structured your sentences.. And for what it’s worth Happy new year..