Interesting. But still Prime is Prime. When was the last time Macdonalds changed their logo? Simple, they haven’t. The reason why they are now making the Transformers movie is simple… people who grew to love the original transformers are now in the pound seats. To change anything away from the original is a sin. If you can’t get the rights to a VW Beetle… then just write out the part of Bumblebee. That is far more acceptable than changing them because of logistics!

Can you imagine Wolverine being blue? I didn’t think so, so why change it. Personally I think the movie although in it’s own right might be entertaining and awesome – I think it will suck as “The Transformers Movie”. If you can’t get it as the original, go back to animation.

Simply put, if you can’t keep things the way they were, then either change it completely or dump it. If you can’t keep Prime the old Blue and Red truck, then dump the character and the same applies to bumblebee. Megatron as an alien space ship!? I mean really… wtf! Change him into a massive cannon of mass destruction (as one of his forms was a cannon) but not a spaceship. That’s as bad as turning Starscream into a beach buggy!

Well that’s my rant!

WHY ARE YOU STILL WHINIG ABOUT MEGATRON’S PROTOFORM !?! IT IS JUST THAT… A PROTOFORM !!!

Do Optimus or StarScream stay in their protoforms throughout the entire movie? Megatron was frozen upon impact… he couldn’t assimilate!

And the chances of Megatron becoming a canon or something are very slim… American gun laws prohibit the sale of weapons as toys.

Agreed… change everything or keep as is… but where do you draw the line? It’s a matter of opinion.
BumbleBee’s character played an integral part… he was the bridge between the bots & the humans… that character needs to be in the movie, either as BumbleBee or another AutoBot (but any other bot would just seem like a cheap replacement for Bumpy, and just because Hasbro couldn’t get VW rights… might as well keep Bumpy and change his vehicle mode).

We won’t really know how far removed the movie bots are from the old cartoon (until we see the movie).

So Megatron stays in his protoform… then why don’t the others? I mean if they don’t have to change, then why do so? If only to blend in, then why into cars? Cos they are cool? So far as I can tell it just doesn’t make sense.

As for Bumblebee… well, if you need a small autobot to make the connection with people… then why not just come up with a neat motorbike autobot. Lets move with the times… lets face it, bikes are way cooler than a VW anyhow (I don’t care for either myself).

As for american gun laws… and what you can make as a toy. If I’m getting it right, as long as it isn’t a weapon as a toy it’s fine, but the toys themselves can have weapons?

So lets ditch the americans and make Megaton only avaliable as a toy in Thailand where it will most likely have been made anyhow!

Should have scrapped the original plot and come up with a “Transformers: The Next Generation” rather!

Hey Robert,

I have the other viewpoint. I like the fact that they are changing some things around. Making changes has brought about some very cool Transformers universes.

Did you hate it when they introduced Beast Wars? That was totally different yet great on it’s own.

Why not think about the movie as just being Transformers in the movie universe.

There are many different flavors of Transformers universe, such as Armada and the minicons and Beast Wars (which ties in to the G1 universe later on when Primal becomes Prime). Had people not thought outside the box we wouldn’t have had those great universes.

Maybe the movie will be the same. It’s not G1: The movie, it’s Transformers: The movie. Give it a chance.

By the way, thanks for posting!

By the way DarthChop, great article. I agree with tons of your points (especially mass shift – hate it!)

As one of many of the fans who grew up with the transformers I wil give it a chance, despite the fact that i hated beast wars becasue it lacked that certain “seriousness” that the old G1 had
I mean they are at war arent they??!!

anyway as with the designs, for what reason did the designers did not make optimus a cab over kenworth?!!!

I have been around trucks for years and know that the old 125 kenworth model has been around since 82 and woudl be perfect.But I guess transformers has toe “evolve” with the younger crowd as awell don’t it???

Sadly I fear that whoever does another movie with what the older fans like may be much more appreciated.

this is where i draw the line.

I couldn’t agree with you more Robert.. Why change something that clearly need not fixing?? Why change Optimus prime?? Why change megatron?? I mean jeezus, none of the transfomers look anything like the original cartoon forms.. Who cares about american guns laws (in relation to megatron), Michael bay should have left the transformers the way they were and just simply make a live action version of it.. If he couldn’t get the rights for Bumblebee, he should have left him out.. But then again, Michael bay obviously couldn’t get none of the rights, judging by the way he f**cked up all the other transformers.. It’s clearly a sad day for everyone who loved transfomers..

Deathchop, by the sound of it, hasn’t seen a single episode of the original cartoon series, judging by his post.. WHY ARE YOU STILL WHINIG ABOUT MEGATRON’S PROTOFORM!?! IT IS JUST THAT… A PROTOFORM!!! What a pointless and childish comeback that was.. My question to this is, Why change his form to begin with?? Same goes for Bumblebee, why change his form?? If it’s not broken, then why fix it..?? More to the point if it’s not broken, then why f**k it up even more, like Michael Bay has??

Others on this forum think that it’ll be a cool movie etc, and that energon, beast wars etc.. were the better spin offs from the orignal cartoon.. I think that energon, beast wars, armada, were made just to cash in on the transformers name, nothing more.. But didn’t optimus prime die in the original animated cartoon movie?? And left the matrix with hotrod, so why in gods name did optimus prime be brought back to life?? The transformers isn’t Buffy the vampire slayer, where buffy comes back to life half a dozen times throughout the 7 seasons, optimus prime dies in the animated movie, so he should be left in piece.. In all honesty, this live action movie should revolve around Rodimus prime as the leader of the autobots and galvatron as the leader of the decepticons.. Rather then making it into a live action version of the original cartoon series..

Man, I have to disagree about centering the movie around Hotrod. Maybe he’ll show up in the sequels.

The whole reason they killed Optimus in the animated movie was to introduce a whole new toy lineup, purely a marketing move.

My all time favorite universe is the G1 cartoon but I really do like the others. Some of the shit gets on my nerves.

My honest opinion is that this is another universe in the vein of beast wars, cybertron, etc. I don’t want to compare it to something that has been important to me for a long time (G1) and just want to allow it to add to my liking of the Transformers universe.

W00kie, have you seen the trailers? Do you really think they look terrible?

Whether it was purely a marketing move on the part of hasbro or whoever has the rights for the new lineup, the fact remains.. The transformers and indeed the main characters should have been left unchanged.. The CGI effects would have looked awesome if things were left unchanged and left in it’s originality.. As to whether or not i have seen the trailers, yes i have, and im disappointed at the finished movie.. The whole movie could look good if they remained unchanged.. If they looked like that way back in G1, then i wouldn’t have nothing to argue about.. But because they look nothing even remotely close to G1, they look horrid.. I’ve always known bumblebee as a VW, so why is he a mustang?? Optimus prime was a kenworth back in G1, why change him?? I don’t think kenworth would have a problem giving Michael bay the rights to leave optimus the way he was in G1.. One thing that they got right was optimus’s trailer..

It just doesn’t feel like transformers anymore.. Michael Bay really has mulilated the transformers name.. Fair enough, a move into a new universe etc.. that’s a fair comment, but at least leave some originality in the forms of the original characters like hound, optimus prime, megatron, ramjet, jazz, mirage, starscream etc.. Why change something that has worked for so long, why change something that need no fixng?? Why now??

As for the hotrod side of my post, i was leaning more towards just continuing from G1 and the animated movie back in the late 80’s.. More along the lines of the fight between the autobots and the decepticons not just the two main characters Rodimus prime and galvatron.. Not so much continuing on from armada, beast wars or energon, because they were just pointless spin offs to cash in, that’s all..

I totally respect your opinion. Your points are welcome here! (even though we disagree!)

The comments you leave are excellent for other visitors to the site so they can get both sides of the argument!

That’s cool..

This is what I do not get, IF they could not get
the rights to the vehcile makes,could they at least get vehicles that look similar to what they were.

eg. at bumble bee, he was a scout, not exactly the type to take on megatron but he is sneaky and small.He is also the most enegry effeicent of all autobots

okay a camaro is fast but what gives it some of the qualities that he had as a character??

a camaro means POWER… much like a mustang and it is not the type of vehicle that goes unnoticed.
(police included..)

from what i gather from the toys of optimus sprime’s protoform, it looks decidely as a “CAB OVER” truck.. which is closer to the older series.

I know there are people who love everything transformers but for me the love of anything over g1 is mostly for the fact that the toys are much more articulate in robot mode.

As with transformers changing with the times is well and truelly a logical step to attract more fans but then again It would be sarcillage to forget what came before.

I just hope the new marvel comic books would not re-write the transformers history to fit the movie.

I’m pretty sure that the new Marvel comics will rewrite the Transformers history to match the movie. All about the marketing.

It’s always the case ain’t it..

Bumblebee was a little bitch and a coward, which is why he was so good at being sneaky.. If they couldn’t get the rights from VW, why not make bumblebee a yellow mini cooper (and im not talking about the new turbo version etc..)?? Doesn’t that car look whimpy and cowardly, that would fit bumblebee to a tea.. But to make him a yello camaro, when does bumblebee evolve into a bad-ass with muscles?? My whole argument with this version of transformers is why change something that has worked unchanged for two decades..

I can just imagine 20 years down the track when hollywood decides to re-make transformers yet again.. But this time make optimus prime an SUV not a truck..

Well it would appear that the two arguments are still the same:
“The movie isn’t G1 so it’s crap!”
“Let’s look at the movie as a new TransFormers universe.”

Let’s throw this little spanner into the works…
How about seeing THIS movie as THE TRANSFORMERS and the cartoon shows (G1 & otherwise) as interpretations of this movie as closely emulated as possible.

Look at the bot mode designs… if you look at them quickly they still look EXACTLY the same as G1 (human-like faces). It just seems like when they were inking the cartoon, they cut a lot of corners and took short-cuts. In the movie world you can’t take short-cuts. You have to have ALL detail present.

This is G1 Optimus in the real world…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5175Y06_Lk

It just doesn’t work! Bot mode’s movements are far too restricted. How can you be expected to fight (and win!) a war when you can hardly move!?!
And don’t say: “Yeh that’s perfect! That’s how Prime should look in the movie”
‘coz if they did even the most hard-core G1 fan would only watch it a couple of times and get tired of the antiquated CG.

I need realism, or at least a tiny shred of credibility… Bay made the Transformers credible in the real world, instead of a bunch of giant toys running (or hobbling) around the city.
Why make a movie that only 10% of the people would enjoy (and for only a short while) when you can “real-it-up” and reach a far greater audience and make it a timeless movie. Surely all the other Transformer multiverses would benefit from the renewed interest, and let’s see how the cartoon show of the movie fares up against past incantations.

(G1 fans can sharpen their guillotines and post their scathing remarks now…)

OK W00kie… I have no idea what you’re on about.

You say Bay could have easily beefed up the CG to create believable G1 reproductions… HOW!?!
You’ve still got bot modes with big car parts covering their line of sight. Cg could create smoother motion but then you’ve got the same dilemma from the cartoon show: STEEL DOESN’T BEND !!!(and don’t say “Maybe cybertronian steel does” ‘coz that screws up all realism with regards to the lip movements… how can steel lips bend to form words and then harden to protect against damage… according to OUR physics this doesn’t make sense and thus becomes incredible)

You can’t have a giant mechanical being that moves and bends like a biological entity. You have to take the mechanics & moving parts into account. Look at your old toys… do they move anything like a biological man? How would CG magically enable 360 degree movement to a limb that would mechanically only be allowed 180. It loses credibility (makes the viewer think that the director perceives him as a naive child)

What you’re asking for (an exact G1 replica movie) would be EXACTLY like the Power Rangers movies… and don’t argue that! ‘coz that was the result of an exact G1 movie screen test. Even the Transformer guys said it was horrible.

It still sounds like the same old argument… “It’s not G1 therefore it’s crap!”… but you add “it’s because everything has been changed”… SO YOU’RE STILL MOANING ABOUT THE MOVIE NOT BEING G1 !!!

Yes, I understand your point being: “If you have to change things try and keep the characters & storyline as close to original as possible”… but that brings me back to a previous point: “Where do you draw the line?”
The only way we can truly appreciate this question is if we were to design movie characters ourselves to retrace the steps taken by the Hasbro team. Maybe only then would we appreciate why the current designs are so far removed from the originals.

I think you’re trying to say: “Why are things soooo different when they didn’t HAVE to be”… And I half-heartedly agree…

Why couldn’t Welker (Yeh- I know who he is) be Megatron? Well he wasn’t always… And Cullen wasn’t always Prime.
I don’t think the whole raspy voice would have worked in the movie, and I thought the evil, deep voice of Beast Wars was a much better representation of Megatron. He’s supposed to be evil incarnate but Welker just makes him sound like an old man (which Megsy is but let’s rather focus on his personality… and I am a little suspect about Weaving – doesn’t seem deep enough for my liking, but let’s see… they might have gone “Soundwave” with his vocals).

And for the millionth time… THE JET IS MEGATRON’S PROTOFORM!!! He will probably scan something in the 2nd movie
(but not a gun… American toy laws… but how could huge Megatron transform into a little handgun? Just seems too far fetched… didn’t like it in the cartoon series either… but yes he should be/have some kind of cannon).

And on the topic of CG (again)…
I said before, you can’t have the old bot modes running/hobbling around because of the restrictions on their movement. Yes CG could nullify this obstacle but then you’d have limbs moving where joints didn’t exist, and (again) steel plating would need to bend and conform to the bot’s movements. Machines CANNOT move like bilogical beings unless their designs allow free flowing movements (G1 designs DO NOT).
Think about Prime’s arms… he’s got the doors under his armpits. So effectively his arm joint is going through the side doors and the armpit joints the size of door hinges have to facilitate movement for a huge steel arm that will be used to beat up other house-sized machines. If you try to fix this problem and make his arms more anchored to his shoulders you end up going down Bay’s design road. And he HAS to be a long nosed semi… the arms wouldn’t measure up if he were flat.

And do you really want to watch a bunch of boxy, human-like cartoon characters running around for 2 hours… or do you want a movie about state-of-the-art interstellar living machines engaged in an all out war to determine the fate of the universe?

(AND JAZZ IS A PORSCHE !!!)

READ http://www.transformersfans.com/the-movie/cast-crew/transformers-writers-talk-fanboy-pressure-et-inspiration-sequel-ideas/#comment-725

before you use the word “cab over”

there is only one thing I can say that is good that all would agree on.
“PETER CULLEN IS GETTING PAID”

Frank and Daniel also need to make a living.

yknow what I don’t get?

what was just mentioned (It is my fault that i didn’t notice it)is
the insults fly about how megatron sucks and beast wars sounds better.
who would be the best to represent optimus??

This is what I don’t get? megatron IS much older than optimus he has been there when optimus was still ORION PAX!!! of coz he is older.
There were a few lines in G1 where optimus trash talks megatron as an older model. watch it and see.Perhaps the reason why frank welker played it that way.

So I half hearthedly agree with the point that the beast wars megatron IS better cuz as for he sound like something a lot younger, but I do know what you mean, just that the mood of presentation killed the darker heart that i so wished it had with just a bit of witt.

I loved beast wars but what sucked about it was it didn’t seem to take it self seriously. what is it with those whacky sounds when a trasnformer trips or loses their balance? and that “REEBOOT” feel when they could have given it a more it serious mood from the start.what I meant is the comedy in it of errors had goofy sounds and teh series over all lacked that “darker” side G1 had since it was a WAR after all.

GOOD AND EVIL ARE AT WAR. that is at least one thing that may have filtered though to the movie.

IF you think about it transformers G1 DID have a dark side. I mean even optimus HAD one…REVENGE.. though it is not mentioned but apparent.
(ORION PAX was rebuilt into optimus prime..)WHAT as if optiums can forgive
someone who nearly killed him and his partner??
I thought that was one of the driving forces that made optimus a great character.

Cullen wasn’t always prime or was frank megs but they were there first and most in G1 (and did many chaarcters between them including soundwave)and I have not seen as much repressed hate that optimus has for megs in both the animated movie and series.(in some comics IT DOES SHOW..)

THIS is the chemistry I want to see in a live action movie, what made rpime determined other than the morals of rightheous which does not gel without a personal reason.A strong belief in good is not enough.

I hope they took that into consideration of better yet post this ta speilberg.

Here is my answer to micheal bay’s points feel free to fire some more.

-If they were alien machines then why did their faces resemble that of a human. They didn’t look enough like aliens or machines for my liking (This is why “Beast Wars” is one of my faves).

This works, but since in G1 they crashed landed on earth of course they have had to adapt when being re-made.It was never that clear since thwir robot form was essentially the same as when they crashed on earth.

Protoform this would work, as ith turning into vehicles land based, so sould their bipedal form to best adapt to this planet. so human like forms are the other logical step.

-If they were advanced enough to transform their bodies from car to bot then why did they leave large untransformed components (such as the large hood for a chest or bulky feet that wouldtrip an elephant)… and I always thought it was a cheap short-cut to just split the car and leave it boxy (why not go into greater detail? Bay did.)
If it was done right as in BOxy think of it this way if ithe argument was on earth.they had to adapt to OUR
conditions right?? most tanks ARE BOXY LOOKING but at 45 degree angles for better protection against projectile based arms.with this you can figure out
armor similar but differnt to gen1, and cover MOST of the body for armor plating. I need not give any hits to any articulation experts but look
at medieval armor, or better yet some newer designed robot toys and marvel at their articulation. YOu can keep the organic form or guts protected by angled or boxy slabs of metal.

-Why did they fly around in spaceships… why didn’t they just “become” the ship? (some series (Armada) did apply this to their storyline)
The first episodes of transformers sucked cuz both autobots and decepticons could all fly. BUt later mostly decepticons can fly in robot form unassited.
It was clear that this was not thought out until later.
Most autobots cannot fly, decepticons can. so the argument of autobots using ships to get from a to b does gel. as with ships.
the logical conclusion is this for protection and trasnporting things and repairs, it is logial to assume only a few trasnformers can fly as fast as each other or have great long range capability past their own power cells.

-And I never liked “mass shifting”… How could Megatron shrink down to a little pistol? That means that anyone could just throw him into a bucket of cement and he’d be screwed! How would that be a fitting end to the mechanical menace. (Bay transforms a car into a robot… end of story)
I agree with this much like optimus’s dissapearing trailer.
but the price?? megatron had a huge cannot on one arm that really represenst the brute force that he can bring to bear, a symbol of how EVIL HE IS.
the least thing they can do is give MOVIE MEGS a HUGE gun, sort of another reason to fear him.IF he does not trun into a gun the least thing you can do is give him what makes autobots fear about him.
Galvatron is still megs but has kept an arm cannon

The Essence of TF:

Facts about TransFormers that should not be altered !!!

- Optimus Prime is the good soldier… and that’s what makes him unique from the rest of the Autobots. He is a soldier… born from the matrix as a warrior on the side of good. The Autobots are just robots fighting against Megatron (they are not soldiers, only reluctant participants).
I did mention he had a personal reason for fighting.
A soldier is just one facet of what optimus is. You forgot Leader.The other autobots are loyal to his as much as he is to them.

I am sure people loved or hated him for the dept of his character much like megs.

- Megatron is pure evil… he needs to look the part, so having him shrink down to a little pistol seems contrary. His face needs to strike terror into the hearts of the innocent, and create fear. Megatron is the epitomy of the world’s armies… Fight, Kill, Destroy…
OMMITING a BIG reason on his right arm to fear him does kill some of the fear factor if the only thing he has to display is his ugliness and sharp fingers.

- BumbleBee is the underdog, the smallest TF. That’s why he relates to the humans so well (he knows what it’s like to go against huge robots that tower above you). IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT HE’S NOT A VW BEETLE !!!(OK so maybe it matters a little bit… I liked that Spike might get teased for driving a bashed up old VW, but there’s more to it than meets the eye…and the beetle was a good vehicle mode for someone named “BumbleBee”) but I never really liked his big belly and chunky feet… I always wanted them to morph further. The Camaro is a much better car design to transform (plus Hasbro couldn’t get the rights to use VW…I think it had something to do with the new “Herbie” movies).
A CAMARO represents POWER baby, look under the hood. Is that something you would have that does not arouse suspicion?? and it is a real menace to police in the hands of a speed freak much more than a smaller 4 cylinder car.Hardly an underdog if pitted against an average car.

A lot of Transformer fans are outraged at the new take on the old cartoon… but that’s the problem… It’s not a cartoon. Things don’t translate as well into a real live version.
True, you adapt it but change too much and might as well add another name after transformers.

I think the TransFormers2007 boys are doing their best and it must be breaking their hearts (mine too) to hear what some “fans” are saying about a movie they haven’t even seen yet.

Maybe they need some more rights to “certain” vehicles and more inspiration
from the roots of it all, some more military hardware visits and more input from some fans who are really into their stuff.I hope they dont take the path of mainstreamers who’s only love for the universe is because it was popular.

The only reason for the uproar I can think of is that Mike Bay is changing something that many kids fell in love with, and as the kids grew up changing what they remember is kinda like saying they have to change aswell. (They still don’t realize that it already had changed… Beast Wars, Armada, Energon, Cybertron, etc.)

the history of each series contradicts
each other.so where do people go?? back to the past since it was there first.

I know they are trying their best, if saying that TRASNFORMEERS HAS CHANGED because of beast wars armada,energon,zone ,etc I thought IT WAS nothing more than a facet of the rich universe??

Putting a well known G1 voice into something armada or energonish in a way is rather decieveing particularlty when most fans voted for peter cullen even before the first pics of the transformers designs ever came out.

YES, YES, YES… Rewind you’ve it !!!
You’re thinking your own thoughts, and not just crying about things being different. Yeh- some things are different but let’s try understand and incorporate it into the story. Why dismiss it altogether?

The whole Megatron voice topic is still open to me. I liked the old man angle from G1 but also liked the deep menacing growl from Beast Wars. I’m just gonna wait to see the movie on that one. Still don’t know what Weaving actually sounds like in the movie. They might have deepened the pitch or made him sound more raspy.

…And yeh Beast Wars was a bit too “silly” but it is a cartoon for kids. If they had gone all out to give us the best Beast Wars possible then it probably would have had an age restriction of at least 13. It did still have the necessary seriousness needed to portray a battlefield. (remember what happened to Dino-bot… that episode kicked ass! Loved it when they brought him back, but doubt Megatron did).

And thanks for bringing that Prime/Megatron/Revenge angle to my attention. I had forgotten about the pre-G1 history (lately G1 has been ground zero for all debate). I like the “darker” side to Prime… that he’s more than just a good soldier. He has emotions invested in the struggle. He has his own personal interest in the outcome of the war. But that touches on another TF point… that all the transformers are unique and have their own personalities & quirks.

I do remember the trash talk from the ‘86 movie.
“One shall stand… One shall fall”
“Such heroic nonsense”
“Why throw your life away so wrecklessly?”
“That’s a question you should ask yourself”
Who could forget. Those were the kind of scenes that stayed with me through the years.

And who could forget…
“Megatron must be stopped… No matter the cost..” Cue Stan Bush’s The Touch (and we all remember exactly what that cost was…)

It is not so much dismissing what spielberg has done rather WHY?!?!
If there is A way to get the man in here in the forum I’d be more than happy to vice it personally and hear his and his teams reasons as to why things where radically altered and why some thinsg supposedly work and why other older designs do not or if they could afford to use the the transformation rights from the toymakers (which they can… but they did not??)

Maybe i could come up with things even the “EXPERTS” may not.
a peterbuilt is a nice form but why change something that can already be convincing???
Ever see a REAL kenworth being tuned when the lift up the cab??
Combined CG and hydraulic props could emulate that pretty well and half or prime’s transofrmation already.

surely more of G1 could be incorporated.MUCH MUCH MORE…

Picture this…
the current Movie optimus with all his sinew like parts but now with more
“REDDISH armor plates” the plates around his arms are more boxlike than before almost slab like good for bashing decepticons with..
the glass on his chest nothing more that a hardenned silica like substance hard to break that is what i thought spielberg would make him like.

as with the toes a compromise between what he is now and g-1 would have sufficed, much like a cross between a human foot and a knight’s boot.

In a way prime’s head look more like knights helm (faceplate included) rather than a shogun’s helm (I am aware the g-1 toys were made in japan but if you look closely at the designs in heads, weapons or body..many had western or european based ideas.)anyone see excalibur? notice one of the knight’s helmets bare a striking reseblance to prime’s mouth piece.

for their current design direction stevies design crew were talking the movie one thing I THOUGHT they would do if they took the design path that they took in making the transformers alien is the “ELIMINATION OF PAINT”
meaning painted “flames” should not exists.

Instead wouldn’t they emulate color as part of the metal.what I mean is
the color would be solid emulated like car paint with some simple patterns
like racing stripes different colors but nothing more intricate than numbers..

isn’t that the logic behind them trying to blend in?? not exactly perfect but passable.

the reason why prime would be solid red in the upper armor and solid blue below. another would be their self repair systems.

I’d imagine each trasnformer has nanobots that fix them up as part of their
repair system and haning solid color is more logical since it is seems easier to fix as a homogenous color.

I feel the movie team design team did not hear as much die hard fans as they should have.maybe the direction would have been better.

as with the trans formers g-1 having personalities if i remember corretly every transformer, decepticon or autobot had a personal reason. some not as apparent as others as to why they fight and not just prime.
Prime is the guy who kept it from falling apart not just by example and on many occasions when he is not there or incapable of leading, the autobots displayed good personal initiative.

Prime was not the only victim of decepticon malice.
look at blue streak’s bio. He is a pacifict by nature, talkks too much and makes light of an other wise bad situation but the fact that he was the only survivor in his area points a much darker and deeper character, but unlike prime, not the path of revenge.

as with beastwars
PG 13 should not make a show too goofy or screw up any seriousness.
I would have pictured a much more darker and desperate side of the war , the animal forms should have enhanced this.

when dinobot died to me that was a more transformer world realism starting to come in in that series.

But you know what they could have done.Remember the episode where the REAL MEGS and THE REAL PRIME’s spark was “borrowed” look at the models of megs and prime? I thought even just from that mainframe could have made at least
one episode of G-1 as part of beast wars to explain more about the war in cybertron. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ACE, but nooo.

having the g-1 characters mature in view in beast wars would have completed
the transition from old to new.

I think I finally see what your saying…

Even with the new designs why not keep the original vehicle modes from G1?
They could have transformed the G1 vehicles into the new bot designs (which would allow a wider range of movement). It could be done…

A good point… but…

Like I have said many times before… This is “Transformers: The Movie” not “G1: The Movie”. The best guess I could make is that Bay & the boys are trying to incorporate ALL the Transformers universes into the movie. This would include animal designs from “Beast Wars”; futuristic bot modes from “Cybertron”; stylish, sleek, and artistic designs from the anime(ish) “Energon” & “Armada”.

So when you see movie version Optimus Prime your’re also looking Optimus Primal, Optimal Prime and the G1 Prime.

But this doesn’t explain the G1 exclusive guys like Jazz, Ironhide, Bumblebee… or does it?

Wether or not these guys were a part of another universe (Beast Wars, Cybertron) there were always guys like them… In BW the ironhide character was played by Rhinox, Jazz was Cheetor. We know these aren’t the exact same guys, but their personalities were the same.
So why not give them the original character’s name and incorporate all the like characters into that one character. It wouldn’t be a G1 character but it would still be a TransFormer.

…As for “Rewind”’s comment…

That is a good Beast Wars point.
Wouldn’t their beast modes heighten the seriousness and ferocity of the war? It did… for a while, but then they got a handle on their Beast counterparts when they got stuck in Beast mode & couldn’t Transform. They calmed down to civilised bots which would explain their placid demeanor…
BUT YOU’RE RIGHT !!!
They were ANIMALS in the wild… Their instincts would have given the war a kick in the pants. It would have been a lot more exciting/dangerous/desperate had they played on that. But like I say… It would have forced an age restriction on a show meant for youngsters. Not very good business tactics to sell a show to kiddies that they can’t watch (even if the older kiddies would have loved it).

Sometimes compromise may not suit it.

I have seen some of the sketches. I KNOW their intentionof combining all series into one is a logical way of enticing even those who don’t know what g1 was into buying their product and following “their”(as in bought) universe since there is clearly a generation gap they are trying to unite. but honestly, wouldn’t an introduction to G1 be the one to unite all NOT a MODIFICATION/AMALGAM????

I know in the generations the themes remain “similar” but amalgaming all supposed archtypes is not really a good idea character wise since characters even if similar are not ALL THE SAME.

If you notice each Optimus though same has many different personality traits compared to optimus primal and any other “optimus” and the stuff is kinda difficult to jive with because of the different
paths each character took to become an “optimus prime” character. The personalities are not exactly the same and the different presentations of character each may not be as believeable when combined because of this.

that goes double of any arctypes because characters are characters and are different no matter how similar they are.THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ARCHTYPE form an established or based character point of view. There is simply less freedom.

as with beast wars, making it more kiddie for the sake of lifting age restriction seems to be a flawed reason the media has. I mean kids are already eposed to things much more dark and violent in real life.Transformers
was as should be all about the clear contrast between DARK and LIGHT.. and WAR is a serious matter.Isn’t that why we also watched cartoons/war movies with adult themes much like books??
the belief in good an evil though chraracters?

there are many ways to show this.

ever watch war planets/shadow raiders??? made by mainframe netertainment, the same guys who made beast wars and reboot? it had a much darker and serious nature even if it was a kid show. beast wars coulds have easily taken that approach…..

Seriously the question put forward is it not been made it clear on what the direction the movie was taking when fans opted for peter cullen? WHY WAS THIS? quite “deceptive” don’t you think??? why can’t this be answered?

I know many fans even before the first leaked pics and stuf in botcon came out thought the same as I.. a tribute to the “origin” but the answer I still do not get is WHY NOT?.. G1 in itself would have been a great intro to the wonderful universe of the transformers.Make even those who loved the newer series have an appreciation of what came before.This fall sshort of my expectations. It may be a good movie for the sake of a movie…but for the sake of fans.. that would be highly open to debate.

An amalgam/universe change would clearly cause divisions but for the general public who swallow all things “Popular” and spit it out when it dies down.
did they ever think about REAL FANS who where there from the beginning???

Fans stay loyal, newbie fans miss out on what was or could have been.
that is the sad truth.

I am still skeptical of the direction.And like all DIE hard fans who grew up with G1 I thought spielberg and bay where ardent 80’s die hard fans and would defend a return to the old with a new twist rather than abandon for new for that I have lost faith in a great director with a great mind’s eye.

Don’t forget that the writers Robert Orci & Alex Kurtzman are the guys in the driver’s seat (the 3rd writer John Rogers doesn’t seem to have much to argue about) and they’re giving Bay a hard time making certain that he stays in line (and Bay doesn’t seem to mind being told what to do ‘coz he’s having such a good time making this movie).

I think Prime in the movie won’t be a kaleidescope of all the Primes from all the universes. I think they will stay with the original Optimus Prime character that we know from G1. He only looks like an amalgamation… the personality is in tact. (but let’s wait for the movie…)

I somewhat agree with your (Rewind’s) opinion concerning the new “twist”. I like most of the “upgrades” that the TF’s have undertaken… but one thing I think Bay maybe took too far was the seriously removed likeness between the bot’s and human’s faces. I kinda liked the way they looked like us (it gave me a feeling that somehow people one day might be these machines- it humanised them), but at the same time I didn’t like the way they looked EXACTLY like us (they were alien robots so why do they look like biological beings?- they needed to look more like they do now).

But if you look at the movie toys, you’ll notice that the faces look a lot like the usual TF face. It’s just highly detailed to the point where you start to make out shapes that resemble the human facial structure like a nose and mouth (as if to indicate that the cartoon animators gave up and took short-cuts to make them look like people).

So therein lies my conundrum… I suppose I’ll both love & hate the new faces.
(but probably love them a little bit more…)

no I do not think that was the reason why the G1 animators made them look “simple”..

as much as I like to see detail of each tranformer, in the live action movie
too much detail sort of really KILLS the realism for me.
the way i look at it is not uncommon, in fact that iw shat people see in the compendiums.

I thought the transformers simplistic face whihc resembled a polygon version of ours was sort of a Production look like made in a factory ,aka… how machines would percieve our form.ergo adaptation as much as they can. bay could have had much freedom mkaing the proto forms what they looked like before they adapted to our “forms”…
I still velieve in the polygon like face covered in liquid metal skin for the mouth an face areas

y’know I have watched bay’s move again and again (went overseas just to)and there are a lot of in consistencies that were supposedly sacrified for supposed “realism” (hollywood)

firstly one glaring fact. I thought any transformers was much tougher and that human weapons would not make much of a dent.
(I see as if we are patting ourselves in the back for killing a decepticon)
If that was the case we would we need the autobots?
that is where the logic fails..
seeing oe fo the main characters burrying devastator really scerwed it up for me.

secondly the decepticons should be many(as in the g1 series where there were a fair few jets) as they should be and their numbers and coo-ordinated attacks (rather than one one one or two on one) would rip apart any military no matter what form they take. having one jet really leaves something much to be desired. since i woudl have loved to see every frikin mllitary get clobbered by a beautifully coo-rdinated decepticon jets as it should be and none of this heat shells killing them easily..

I mean that shot where one of the main characters goes under devastator and kills him with a grenade launchers just basically says we are human… you aliens are inferior….
I thought decepticons should be nothing so screw over so easily.

I mean Rumble was danger ous but he was a joke.. they hsould be physically
supoerior to us even at roughly the same height as as thats i why we need auto bots..

thirdly each transformer moved TOO gracefully. okay I know the direction they are taking but seriously there should be more communication of mass and a little clumsiness when they fight. no matter how much i wathced it there is no feeling of weight and gravity except through the speakers..
The autobots’ “rolling”?

the movie could have been much more.

fourth. they MADE PRIME WEAK… megatron had him for lunch except for sam saving his backside, I expected one hell of a fight between the two.

what the hell crap weapon was megatrons BIG GUN???

and what happened to primes (unility cannon??)
this really shows that someone HAS NOT BEEN WATCHING IT AS MUCH AS HE SHOULD.

Iw oudl same lesser than loselybased from G1, the only consolation was peter cullen.. that was all.

as with hugo weavings voice… he seesm to have taken teh “BEAST WARS” approach… it sort of fits but i wanted the “aged voice” like he is experienced.

the plot was much more kiddish that what transformers was.. the scene where the autobots where hiding from the parents in sams house…. no I thought optimus is all serious and grown up like the rest of teh autobots..

as with rpime mention ing they get their infor form the internet

..yeah let us put ourselves human beigs superio to any alien race up on a pedestall I am sure the autobots have much more efficient wasy to gather info ratherthan monitor in our internet, or have you forgetten our radio waves which take ages to get from one place of the galaxy to anaother surely enough of these transmissions could give them knowledge of us..

as with E_bay mentioned.. that was another shameless advertisment.

as an action movie on its own it gets a 5 out of 10 for me.. as realism is concrened and that for a tf fan… it is quite lacking….

the human viewpoint is so limited albeit unique but limited in scope compared to any trasnformers.

I am boycotting this film, and Michael Bay, you know what to do with yourself.! How dare you sign on the real optimus prime and not the real Megatron. I hope your film goes up in flames! And you with it!

you wanno know how to HURT… the film… DON’t BUY the products. dont but the toys.. you know stevie and bay are out to make money not just on tehfilm but the products..

george lucas mad emore money on teh first three films cuz of the merchandise….what do you think stevie is gonna do???

if you want to make it hurt more.. but anythning transformers not related to
the film.. see what shopowners would think.

I wonder when fans world wide would make a statement.

Yo genius how limited do you think it is to attack this subject???

DID I SAY TO BOYCOTT THE TOYS???

what I meant was you can buy your armada,your energon, your beast wars ANYTHING BUT the movie stuff.
If you think about it if you put all the different transformers genre you have a massive fan base that follow “similar” conventions which the movie clearly forgot..
and that is a lot of unhappy campers.

look at the Fattimus prime toy from energon? (the one that unites into a bigger robot) he had a mouth.How much crap did it get???

Now.. look at the toy. the later productions
for us in the west has him with his mouth piece back. coincidence?
how is that for persuation?

boycotting the live action toys may not make a difference but buying anything than that would give a clear indication of why it is not bought? (unless you are terminally stupid.)

Another thing that it painfully obvious by doing this (should have read bewteen the lines wookie)there are more noobs than fans.
marketting is fickle and ther are “many ways” to make sure your message comes across to even influence would be fans.
(unless you are a fan just because it is popular and it looks good then you aint a fan just a FAD addict)

when the movie series is over, who is left????
transformers even when not aired anymore has consistenly sold well as a toy
againsts other toys
that is what speileberg has noticed and he and lucas want the action.
(ever see those starwars transformable toys of xwings and tie fighters??)
that is their main goal why the heck didn’t stevie direct the film? cuz either way transformers sell no matter how messed up the movie is.

as with the argument buying g1 toys ONLY… it did negate that. the movie is a double edged sword after all. Notice not just in the states but the transformers g1 DVD boxset has been re-issued????and since mention of the movie based on g1 surely even if it is a limited run (in your local toys r us or world for kids DO HAVE on occasions re-issues of G1 but without the fancy box.. at a good price..YES IT HAS DIECAST PARTS…) re-issues will surface since every body will be taking advantage of the movie release.
go to you local chinese shop and see what sort of trasnformers knock off have surfaced in the past few weeks.

As with Mr. spielberg enforcing his wonership of transfomers in the toy department remains to be seen.

This movie however is a test to see if it will hit home. so far with newbies with no clue other than wiki pedia or paper media it is a s/hit, with film critics it does not seem to fair well as it i supposed to ranked as “a weak plot”. with many G1 fans(it will soon grow)the only thing keeping them from tossing tomatoes at the screen is peter cullen’s voice.

Boycotting the movie isn’t a good idea either since you have to at least see it once in order to write about it.

the only way is if people related to the movie (the have visisted this site before hence why i post in this site) can at least read what is posted on the forums…

alas

“what I meant was you can buy your armada,your energon, your beast wars ANYTHING BUT the movie stuff..”
As if people will care.. People are so naive and stupid these days that they’ll fall for anything.. Even if the transformers were done properly, people will buy them anyway..

“boycotting the live action toys may not make a difference but buying anything than that would give a clear indication of why it is not bought?”
Im officially making you the leader of the ‘boycott the new transformers toy line’ organisation.. Since you think that it’ll hurt so bad, why don’t you vent your frustration and tell the rest of the world, and see if they will listen.. No-one cares anymore, or are you so dense that can’t see what is happening..

You know what I liek about you, you attack people rather than the subject..
do me a favor save your sarcasm for those who really deserve it.
(read the link below and there seems to be someone much more creative in expression.. who if done right CAN give micheal his due.)

I did not say it would work internationally didn’t I nor hurt bad.?
Honestly if it doesnt work it doesnt work, but if epople wer real fans..then you know what sort of things people can get up to.

I got a good one send this to micheal bay.
http://www.gearheadsofwar.com/story/2006/8/26/222417/371

and the movie’s Originality????
much less cohesion one believability??

here is another one. Think this one tells us who is to blame for this mess..
http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2006/09/transformer-wrap-poem.html

As a transformers fan of old. I have read many of the comments posted here and wanted somehow to tell people why some fans felt almost cheated by micheal bay’s live movie.

The words would not come up right. Suffice to say someone has beaten me to the punch.

This post seems to give a a picture of what many an old die hard fan.
Upon reading this I felt this way…
Kudos to andy for summing up the feelings of many a fan who really expected more from the movie
here is the link and extract.I seriously hope this would find its way to teh right people and have the desired effect. For all fans of transformers read on. perhaps ths would shed some light on the subject..

http://andydreamseeker.blogspot.com/2007/06/movie-review-transformers.html
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*Andy wanted this not to be a Transformers movie.
I mean just who are these robots in disguise as the Transformers?
(This review has been partially edited on 9th July 2007. Andy felt a need to review his review.)

Transformers is a movie about alien robots divided into good (Autobots) and evil (Decepticons) raging a war between each other while searching for a cube known as the Allspark which is a source of life for them that has found its way into earth.

From the cartoons in its 80s days and a movie version in two-dimensional rendering, it has found a new source of life when DreamWorks, Paramount and Hasbro decided to make a blockbuster movie franchise out of it.
This 2007 summer movie will be the first of a trilogy with two sequels already confirmed.

But after watching it, I felt an amount of disgust about it.
I’m not saying that it is a bad film but I cannot say that it is good either.
Despite the fact that I understand Transformers would undoubtedly become a hit among the masses for many factors…
I still could not like it.

I raised a question.
Why do they make movies like this?

I stared at this question long and hard.
This is a commercial film for the mass market.
A large population on earth knew what the Transformers are.
It will generate lots of money for the companies involved.
I shall repeat it; this is a commercial film for the mass market.

Talk about the number of toys a movie like Transformers can sell.
Hasbro is going to be rich.
Talk about product placements in a movie like Transformers with the names of Panasonic, Nokia, Chevrolet, GMC and the likes showing up.
Product marketing cannot be more obvious.
It’s all in the money.

Money makes the world goes round.
So this is earth and the human race, the world that Optimus Prime and his Autobots are trying to save?

What a sorry state the movie industry has transformed into.

With a budget of $147million, the moviemakers totally changed the Transformers.
The Autobots and the Decepticons no longer resemble the Transformers of the 80s.
Instead of transforming, the robots actually morphed themselves into auto-vehicles, helicopters and jet-planes.
That is uncool to me because transformation and morphing are two different elements altogether.

The good about this film fell solely on the CGI and special effects.
The film looked cool owing much to the efforts put in by the CGI and special effects team.

The action however left lots to be desired.
The sequences were unimaginative.
It is boring to see things happening the same way again and again.
Things were just either blowing up or crashing down.
The actions felt like a collection of videos from “Amazing Car Chases” or “Amazing Plane Crashes” put together.
There were no definition and aesthetics so to speak.

The talk on aesthetics would lead me to the thought on the robot’s design.
Over elaboration and complexity marred the originality of the Transformers.
Director Michael Bay made most of the “Big” decisions in creating this movie.
Namely he changed Bumblebee from a Volkswagen Beetle into a Chevrolet Camaro and he also influenced the design of the robots by suggesting that the classic “boxy” style would look fake in a three-dimensional environment and thus introduced a complex mechanical look with thousands of visible pieces instead.
It was questionable why executive producer Steven Spielberg wanted him to direct this film.
Michael Bay did thought of the Transformers as a “stupid toy movie” for a start.

It is really OK to change things around by giving them a more recent and modern feel but origin still has to be respected.
I find that missing from this movie.

What I found was a real jumble of things instead.
Let me first make a list of other movies.
Batman, Short Circuit, Robocop, Terminator, Gremlins, Armageddon and M.I.B all seem to appear in Transformers sparking me to think toward a lack of creativity on the side of the moviemakers.

Take for instance a scene where Bumblebee beamed a symbol of the Autobots into the night sky.
Isn’t that Batman?

And how about having the Decepticon’s spy, Frenzy, looking and behaving like an evil Gremlin while demonstrating an ability to retrieve data from a computer mainframe by stabbing into it like what Robocop did.

Now tell me why the only way alien life forms can arrive on earth is through a meteor crashing down and then being bare-naked needed to find clothing to disguise themselves among humans?
Terminator?

Sector 7, a top-secret government agency dealing with the topic of extra-terrestrial is just M.I.B aren’t they?

Transformers just cannot be Sci-Fi and be happy about it; they have to pull in a military angle of the Iraq war to make this into a war film.

And if that is not enough why not have a teenager become a hero for holding the key to victory against the Decepticons and then reward his heroism with a hot and sexy female in Megan Fox.
This should be so appealing to the teenage audience.

Besides the jumble, Transformers also malfunction in way of pacing.
It is one action after another without consideration for character development and story building.
One moment there’s a war going on, next moment there’s a car chase and next robots will pitch against one another like a wrestling match.

The lack of considerations does not end with the script.
Cinematography for the movie lack a sense of dynamism and beauty.
I couldn’t make out the purpose of the camera movements.
I could only think that the director was creating an experience of chaos with the camera shakes going along with the sound effects of mainly the bass of “boom”, “boom” and “boom” to give us a truly cinematic experience.
It was a headache.

I know most people will enjoy a movie like Transformers because of the CGI and actions.
I too am someone who enjoys movie of that sort if they were well done.
Michael Bay’s attempt on a Transformers movie that was filled with explosions, crashes and cheap humor however was not.

There really should be more than meets the eye in terms of better values unseen here in Transformers.

(What I found after reading close to a thousand comments on other movie sites about the Transformers is that most people who didn’t like the film really wanted the film to be good. Many of those who liked the film however just didn’t really cared much because they felt that it was just a movie about robots fighting robots with awesome effects that looked cool.)

thank Seth51 for posting up that article.

I’d like to add one that seems to complement it.

http://technorati.com/wtf/transformers/2007/06/30/this-is-not-a-real-transformers-movie-1
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Transformers: The Movie, from 1986
Surely this is not how Orson Welles imagined it would end. According to the chronology appended to Peter Bogdanovich’s This Is Orson Welles, on Oct. 5, 1985, Welles spent the day on the set of Transformers: The Movie, giving voice to Unicron, a villainous, planet-eating planet. On Oct. 10, he was dead. The man’s first feature film had been Citizen Kane; his last was an animated movie based on a line of toy robots.

Of course, by 1985 Welles was a long way from Rosebud. His most visible role at that point was as a pitchman for Paul Masson wine, a responsibility he does not seem to have always discharged ably. He’d also recently cut the voiceover for the Revenge of the Nerds trailer. But it would be a mistake to lump Transformers in with Welles’ other regrettable late-career moves. Though a modest film compared with Michael Bay’s blockbuster out today, the original Transformers is the better film. And for a certain subset of Americans—boys who were 9 in 1986—it was every bit as shocking as War of the Worlds had been for Grandma and Grandpa.

Bay’s Transformers bears no resemblance to the original in terms of plot, but both movies are grounded in the same fundamental mythology. Back in the early ’80s, the wily folks at Hasbro realized that the only thing better than a toy truck was a toy truck that was also a toy robot. Transformers were born, and, as was standard practice at the time, Hasbro promptly commissioned a half-hour afternoon cartoon to fill in the back story and market the toys to unsuspecting kids like me.

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The Transformers, from a planet called Cybertron, were divided into two factions—the goodly Autobots, led by Optimus Prime, and the evil Decepticons, led by Megatron, who transformed from a robot into a handgun. After a long civil war, the two sides somehow end up on Earth, where their battles continue and where the cartoon picks up their story. Most episodes involved the Decepticons devising a dastardly plot to take over the universe—only to be thwarted by the Autobots.

Late-afternoon television was full of programming like this in the mid-’80s, whether it was He-Man or G.I. Joe. Transformers, though, was the first such show to jump to the silver screen. Those of us who raced to theaters as third-graders thus assumed that what we were about to see would be like the TV show, just longer and awesomer. Only in our wildest dreams did we think that the show might celebrate its liberation from network television by letting loose with a curse word. And only in our scariest nightmares would we have imagined that a mere 20 minutes into the movie, Optimus Prime, the most beloved of Autobots, would be killed by Megatron.

To use a phrase I learned the day I saw Transformers, “Oh, shit!” No one ever died in these shows. Even in G.I. Joe, a cartoon about a special U.S. Army strike force, no Rattler was ever shot down without the pilot first safely ejecting. But in the Transformers movie, the death toll was jaw-dropping. More than a dozen marquee characters are dispatched in the film, among them one of my personal favorites, Starscream, the Decepticon malcontent always scheming to relieve Megatron of his command.

Of course, all of this bloodshed had a specific purpose—to move toys. In the commentary track on the 20th-anniversary edition of the movie, Flint Dille, one of the writers, explains he was instructed to eliminate much of the existing product line to make room for the new characters Hasbro was planning to sell me. I already owned Optimus Prime, after all.

As a 9-year-old, it hardly occurred to me that this robot bloodbath was a marketing ploy. It just blew me away. Witnessing death on that scale was shocking to a sensibility that had been nurtured on white-knuckled but always successful repair operations by the trusty Autobot mechanic-medic, Ratchet.
It’s funny to listen to the filmmakers on the DVD talk sheepishly about killing off all of those characters, Prime in particular. They genuinely regret it. But in watching the movie again as a grown-up, you realize that Hasbro’s profit motive had the unintended consequence of forcing the movie to tell a much more sophisticated story than might otherwise have been possible. With Prime off to the great scrapheap in the sky by the end of the first act, the movie becomes one about finding a leader who can take on Prime’s mantle and defeat not just Megatron, but also Orson Welles’ Unicron, eating his way through the galaxy. And in a nice mythic twist, Prime’s successor turns out to be an Autobot no one—not even Prime—thought it would be.

Bay’s new Transformers is fun in its own goofy way, and there are enough sops to the fanboys that most will go home happy. Peter Cullen reprises his role as the voice of Optimus Prime, and the screenwriters manage not one but two invocations of the immortal phrase “more than meets the eye.” But there’s nothing even approaching the original’s narrative depth. The good guys beat the bad guys, and no one we care about is harmed in the process—the movie hasn’t succeeded in making us care about anyone. Prime comes across as a stand-up guy, but we have no real sense of Megatron’s motivations or of Starscream’s ambition. Bumblebee, the robot we spend the most time with in the movie, doesn’t get a speaking part until the penultimate scene. The high-octane violence and PG-13 attentions lavished on Megan Fox’s torso may attract some new young fans, but in the end Bay’s Transformers feels timid compared with the 1985 version.

Now, before you scuttle your plans to go see the new Transformers and queue up a copy of the old one instead, let me say this. A Brad Bird production it is not. I admit that my appreciation for the animated movie is colored by nostalgia—for the toys but also for the decade that produced them. Blur, a fast-talking Autobot, is voiced by John Moschitta Jr., better known as the Micro Machines guy. The soundtrack features a song by Weird Al Yankovic and an inspirational anthem worthy of the Karate Kid’s Joe “The Bean” Esposito. Robert Stack, Casey Kasem, and Judd Nelson round out what can safely be called one of the stranger casts in cinematic history.

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As for the strangest member of that cast, Orson Welles does not seem to have been very proud of his work. Film historian Joseph McBride quotes Welles saying of his participation: “I play a planet. I menace somebody called Something-or-other. Then I’m destroyed.” He needn’t have been quite so dismissive. Welles’ voice was apparently so weak by the time he made his recording that technicians needed to run it through a synthesizer to salvage it. But listen closely as the ruthless Unicron explains his plan to bring the universe to its knees. I swear you can almost hear a younger Welles, plotting his conquest of a different world as the imperious Charles Foster Kane.

Where the hell did you guys come from??? That encompased many points.

doxycycline pleural…

news…

guys I know the upcomming movie is up but I feel that since this
post is basically the most G-1 related post No where else could i post something similar.(unless Shawn or darkchop would put a word in.)

Suffice to say one thing that even the original composer of the transformers series was always the music.

In the past the Japanese have made a few albums of the complete music to their dubb of Transformers, so why can’t we get the same treatment for the one we remember.
Re-mastered, every Background music,Generation1 down to that of the transformers movie and beyond (yes you heard me.. I like the music tracks of even beast wars)I’d even like re-mastered voices of most fo the characters as a bonus.

If only someone here could contact whoever owns the rights to the music.

(Remember,though The Japanese had the “diaclone” toyline in 1983, The cartoon first came out in the West in 1984 and in ENGLISH and the japs got the dubb of this in 1985 so theoretically, the ENGLISH version was first.)