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		<title>By: Ivy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been able to see a few of the G1 episodes and I don't think they're unrealistic. I like the plot flow quite a bit actually. :)</description>
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		<title>By: Rewind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rewind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the response Ivy.

Like I posted the reason why comics made ones of G-1 still exists is becasue there is still great potential for "what if scenarios" and other things the old cartooon should have expanded on.

Modernization is a necessity but as with some designs, IT IS NOT NEEDED.
I mean your normal freightliner cab over is still in use today.Not much has changed.I suppose a new take was taken.for what logical purpose I do not know.

The new optimus prime after all is voiced by Peter Cullen, the voice gen-1 optimus, at least that is something that both old and new fans liked.(some people found his voice "sexy". you be the judge..)

with that voice and the light script(nothing too cheeezy)In the mold of stirring speeches like in ID4 or braveheart.
A sort of "The odds against us scenario"
Imagine if optimus delivered a speech to the world heads 
on how we should pull together against the impending decepticon invasion or better yet yelling out a battle cry that all would follow.

That is some powerful momment/s if done right and sure as hell the action that follows show a lot of determination. The sort of do or die
and just at the fever pitch of battle, it turns in our favor (not because of a human) but becuase of autobot sacrife (least loved autobot)
and optimus prime driving the whole thing until the end where he delivers a heart wrenching speech on how "we lost these autobots" and the cost of the war.

Transformers should have been part WAR movie, sci-fi with pacifist
tones agains how war is. None of that overly done patriotic BS. I am sure even soldiers who went to iraq would appreciate a little "they are like us" feel to it.

 

Sometimes I detest the changes in comics but the other aspects of characters and interaction with humans are sometimes catered for. 





as with the reasons why i commented on the new live movie compared to the old. I run into a lot of newly converted trasnfromers fans who basically rip the stuffing out of the old  as "unrealistic"and I tend to get all rilled up about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the response Ivy.</p>
<p>Like I posted the reason why comics made ones of G-1 still exists is becasue there is still great potential for &#8220;what if scenarios&#8221; and other things the old cartooon should have expanded on.</p>
<p>Modernization is a necessity but as with some designs, IT IS NOT NEEDED.<br />
I mean your normal freightliner cab over is still in use today.Not much has changed.I suppose a new take was taken.for what logical purpose I do not know.</p>
<p>The new optimus prime after all is voiced by Peter Cullen, the voice gen-1 optimus, at least that is something that both old and new fans liked.(some people found his voice &#8220;sexy&#8221;. you be the judge..)</p>
<p>with that voice and the light script(nothing too cheeezy)In the mold of stirring speeches like in ID4 or braveheart.<br />
A sort of &#8220;The odds against us scenario&#8221;<br />
Imagine if optimus delivered a speech to the world heads<br />
on how we should pull together against the impending decepticon invasion or better yet yelling out a battle cry that all would follow.</p>
<p>That is some powerful momment/s if done right and sure as hell the action that follows show a lot of determination. The sort of do or die<br />
and just at the fever pitch of battle, it turns in our favor (not because of a human) but becuase of autobot sacrife (least loved autobot)<br />
and optimus prime driving the whole thing until the end where he delivers a heart wrenching speech on how &#8220;we lost these autobots&#8221; and the cost of the war.</p>
<p>Transformers should have been part WAR movie, sci-fi with pacifist<br />
tones agains how war is. None of that overly done patriotic BS. I am sure even soldiers who went to iraq would appreciate a little &#8220;they are like us&#8221; feel to it.</p>
<p>Sometimes I detest the changes in comics but the other aspects of characters and interaction with humans are sometimes catered for. </p>
<p>as with the reasons why i commented on the new live movie compared to the old. I run into a lot of newly converted trasnfromers fans who basically rip the stuffing out of the old  as &#8220;unrealistic&#8221;and I tend to get all rilled up about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with your ideas regarding the Autobots Rewind! I wish we could see more of that type of interaction. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with your ideas regarding the Autobots Rewind! I wish we could see more of that type of interaction. <img src='http://www.transformersfans.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Rewind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rewind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as long as it is either a kenworth '83/freightliner '70 twin stack cab over model then it is okay


I work in atruck stop and the 2 models are almost identical cept for the finer details and prime could pass for iether one of them.
As with the argument that micheal bay put forward about a cab over being too small compared to a "peterbuilt". heve they ever seen both kenworth or freightliner cab over's used to haul MINING equipment???
model them to the MP-01 prime toy with a little  "realism" bells and whitsles and presto...

on the subject of realism what make of tank was devastator in the live action movie? it SURE AS HELL AIN'T  M-1 ABRAMS nor looks like one nor does that "truck" (refuse to give name)that prime shanked with his sword look like a real world truck. they would have easily used a  mining dump truck to emulate him (the suckers are bigger and wider than normal dump trucks)

wokkie i agree with you there, WHY did Miceal bay use a Peterbuilt anyway? did the company pay him off like GM as well??

the flames and color make optimus look more like a "TOY" than if they stuck with a generick fleet truck dark red color.


as with hunam intreaction I would have liked the autobots to directly be involved in the political aspect of the humans at war with the decepticons. that clearly woudl make the movie a much more believable matter than just KABOOM,KABOOM amd more KABOOM!!!

Prime would have been the best spokes person to talk to the president or the military to plan a counter offensive agains the decepticons.

Ivy Optimus is a deep character. as a fan of old I do not want to force you to read anything g-1 but here is a tip for an appreciation of the character. IDW and the older publications have a few comics that compared to the cartoon show a much deeper level of what Optimus really is. people say He is too goody goody, that is not exactly true but there in lies the hero who is as real as they come if ever he existed as a human.Imperfect as the rest of us but trying hard to be more than and ideal.

one quality I love about the transformers  are they are MORTAL and make mistakes and are not super heroes beyon reproach. 

I hope the newer movies woudl at least indicate this.Aotobots trying hard to keep it to gether while the decepticons are relentless,merciless and downright cold and calculating.
this would clearly outline the difference between both sides.


as with ideas for the next sequel. I HOPE IT IS AN ALL OUT WAR!!!!!
not just a hand full of decepticons against autobots. I'd like to see humans get ONE HECK OF A POUNDING none of this super weapons of virus to kill them crap or and none of that one human killing a decepticon with great ease using a matchstick crap.There should be a greater reason why the autobots are on earth other that being refugees of a dying planet. DEFENDING it out of things like moral obligations or VENGEANCE is something that would really hold it together. Perhaps a least liked autobot sacrifices his life and in the end it actually buys eart some time and respect from fellow autobots who doubted him.(and there are a lot of autobots that fit the bill)Maybe an autobot fighting on before help arrives even if s/he is outnumbered and gets one hell of an ass whoop to protect a building full of humans. stuff like that heroic stuff NOT just fighting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as long as it is either a kenworth &#8216;83/freightliner &#8216;70 twin stack cab over model then it is okay</p>
<p>I work in atruck stop and the 2 models are almost identical cept for the finer details and prime could pass for iether one of them.<br />
As with the argument that micheal bay put forward about a cab over being too small compared to a &#8220;peterbuilt&#8221;. heve they ever seen both kenworth or freightliner cab over&#8217;s used to haul MINING equipment???<br />
model them to the MP-01 prime toy with a little  &#8220;realism&#8221; bells and whitsles and presto&#8230;</p>
<p>on the subject of realism what make of tank was devastator in the live action movie? it SURE AS HELL AIN&#8217;T  M-1 ABRAMS nor looks like one nor does that &#8220;truck&#8221; (refuse to give name)that prime shanked with his sword look like a real world truck. they would have easily used a  mining dump truck to emulate him (the suckers are bigger and wider than normal dump trucks)</p>
<p>wokkie i agree with you there, WHY did Miceal bay use a Peterbuilt anyway? did the company pay him off like GM as well??</p>
<p>the flames and color make optimus look more like a &#8220;TOY&#8221; than if they stuck with a generick fleet truck dark red color.</p>
<p>as with hunam intreaction I would have liked the autobots to directly be involved in the political aspect of the humans at war with the decepticons. that clearly woudl make the movie a much more believable matter than just KABOOM,KABOOM amd more KABOOM!!!</p>
<p>Prime would have been the best spokes person to talk to the president or the military to plan a counter offensive agains the decepticons.</p>
<p>Ivy Optimus is a deep character. as a fan of old I do not want to force you to read anything g-1 but here is a tip for an appreciation of the character. IDW and the older publications have a few comics that compared to the cartoon show a much deeper level of what Optimus really is. people say He is too goody goody, that is not exactly true but there in lies the hero who is as real as they come if ever he existed as a human.Imperfect as the rest of us but trying hard to be more than and ideal.</p>
<p>one quality I love about the transformers  are they are MORTAL and make mistakes and are not super heroes beyon reproach. </p>
<p>I hope the newer movies woudl at least indicate this.Aotobots trying hard to keep it to gether while the decepticons are relentless,merciless and downright cold and calculating.<br />
this would clearly outline the difference between both sides.</p>
<p>as with ideas for the next sequel. I HOPE IT IS AN ALL OUT WAR!!!!!<br />
not just a hand full of decepticons against autobots. I&#8217;d like to see humans get ONE HECK OF A POUNDING none of this super weapons of virus to kill them crap or and none of that one human killing a decepticon with great ease using a matchstick crap.There should be a greater reason why the autobots are on earth other that being refugees of a dying planet. DEFENDING it out of things like moral obligations or VENGEANCE is something that would really hold it together. Perhaps a least liked autobot sacrifices his life and in the end it actually buys eart some time and respect from fellow autobots who doubted him.(and there are a lot of autobots that fit the bill)Maybe an autobot fighting on before help arrives even if s/he is outnumbered and gets one hell of an ass whoop to protect a building full of humans. stuff like that heroic stuff NOT just fighting.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I don't know if everyone's found out yet, but the spiffy two disc DVD of Transformers comes out this October 16th! Can't wait to buy it, with less than a month to go. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I don&#8217;t know if everyone&#8217;s found out yet, but the spiffy two disc DVD of Transformers comes out this October 16th! Can&#8217;t wait to buy it, with less than a month to go. <img src='http://www.transformersfans.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: w00kie</title>
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		<dc:creator>w00kie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd like to know one thing about Optimus Prime and the Generation 1 cartoon.. What was Optimus' truck design based on..?? Was it a Kenworth COE or a freightliner COE..?? I mean where does it say, or more importantly who started this crap that Optimus was a freightliner and we all had to believe it..?? Just because fanboy sites all over the internet list Optimus as a freightliner, but where did these people get this information..?? Why can't we say that Optimus was a kenworth COE..??

I would really love a spokesman or a representative from Hasbro or Takara to come on this forum and tell us what they based the design on..?? I've been to other forums, and pointed out that Optimus was a kenworth COE, but i was told that i was wrong.. But am i..??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to know one thing about Optimus Prime and the Generation 1 cartoon.. What was Optimus&#8217; truck design based on..?? Was it a Kenworth COE or a freightliner COE..?? I mean where does it say, or more importantly who started this crap that Optimus was a freightliner and we all had to believe it..?? Just because fanboy sites all over the internet list Optimus as a freightliner, but where did these people get this information..?? Why can&#8217;t we say that Optimus was a kenworth COE..??</p>
<p>I would really love a spokesman or a representative from Hasbro or Takara to come on this forum and tell us what they based the design on..?? I&#8217;ve been to other forums, and pointed out that Optimus was a kenworth COE, but i was told that i was wrong.. But am i..??</p>
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		<title>By: w00kie</title>
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		<dc:creator>w00kie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devestator was in the first movie.. Do you mean the "original" devestator that was made up of the constructicons or do you mean Michael Bays "made up" devestator..?? Bringing the real devestator for the sequel(s) is not a good idea, because that just goes to show that Michael Bay has no idea.. Same with soundwave, whats the point of bringing him into the war for the sequels when frenzy took his boom box shape already.. Michael Bay has no choice but to make soundwave an ipod or a 6 CD stacker..

But who i wouldn't mind seeing in the sequels despite their demented and unoriginal looks would have to be omega supreme, metroplex, tripticon, ultra magnus, blaster, skyfire, more decepticon jets (ie: thundercracker, ramjet, dirge, skywarp and thrust) and fortris maximus.. I would also like to see perceptor and wheelie in there as well so that Michael Bay can kill them off in a violent death, at least Michael bay will do something for once.. Hound, wheeljack, sideswipe, smokescreen, prowl, trailbreaker, hoist, inferno, red alert and mirage shouldn't be forgotten for the sequels as do the dinobots, especially Grimlock (maybe he can have wheelie for dinner perhaps, that would be a fitting end to a useless character... wouldn't it)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devestator was in the first movie.. Do you mean the &#8220;original&#8221; devestator that was made up of the constructicons or do you mean Michael Bays &#8220;made up&#8221; devestator..?? Bringing the real devestator for the sequel(s) is not a good idea, because that just goes to show that Michael Bay has no idea.. Same with soundwave, whats the point of bringing him into the war for the sequels when frenzy took his boom box shape already.. Michael Bay has no choice but to make soundwave an ipod or a 6 CD stacker..</p>
<p>But who i wouldn&#8217;t mind seeing in the sequels despite their demented and unoriginal looks would have to be omega supreme, metroplex, tripticon, ultra magnus, blaster, skyfire, more decepticon jets (ie: thundercracker, ramjet, dirge, skywarp and thrust) and fortris maximus.. I would also like to see perceptor and wheelie in there as well so that Michael Bay can kill them off in a violent death, at least Michael bay will do something for once.. Hound, wheeljack, sideswipe, smokescreen, prowl, trailbreaker, hoist, inferno, red alert and mirage shouldn&#8217;t be forgotten for the sequels as do the dinobots, especially Grimlock (maybe he can have wheelie for dinner perhaps, that would be a fitting end to a useless character&#8230; wouldn&#8217;t it)</p>
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		<title>By: DarthChop</title>
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		<dc:creator>DarthChop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeh... DEVESTATOR!!!
And the DinoBots would be cool. Even if it's just 'ol Grimlock.
"Me like 'em Dinobots".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeh&#8230; DEVESTATOR!!!<br />
And the DinoBots would be cool. Even if it&#8217;s just &#8216;ol Grimlock.<br />
&#8220;Me like &#8216;em Dinobots&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I sincerely hope that they don't kill off Optimus (my fav of course) in the sequals, though it appears that it's a major possibily if the movies follow the original plot line. I can't help but not want him killed off. He's just so...cool and righteous and good-guyish. Oddly enough I like Ironhide more than Bumblebee. My sis is a die-hard Bumblebee fan though, so we have to compromise when we talk about the best lines in the movie. I think that they'll cover almost every type of item for the franchise, they've already done it for the first one anyway (not that I'm complaining at all :)). I mean I've seen toys, clothing, fabric, games, household items, school supplies, you name it, they've got it in Transformers. The only thing I haven't gotten yet that I really want is a poster. The one thing you'd think of first, I haven't gotten yet. I'd love more communication with humans, though the first movie did pretty well with that. I mean come on, a 28' robot saying "my bad" for demolishing your dad's new backyard? Priceless. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I sincerely hope that they don&#8217;t kill off Optimus (my fav of course) in the sequals, though it appears that it&#8217;s a major possibily if the movies follow the original plot line. I can&#8217;t help but not want him killed off. He&#8217;s just so&#8230;cool and righteous and good-guyish. Oddly enough I like Ironhide more than Bumblebee. My sis is a die-hard Bumblebee fan though, so we have to compromise when we talk about the best lines in the movie. I think that they&#8217;ll cover almost every type of item for the franchise, they&#8217;ve already done it for the first one anyway (not that I&#8217;m complaining at all :)). I mean I&#8217;ve seen toys, clothing, fabric, games, household items, school supplies, you name it, they&#8217;ve got it in Transformers. The only thing I haven&#8217;t gotten yet that I really want is a poster. The one thing you&#8217;d think of first, I haven&#8217;t gotten yet. I&#8217;d love more communication with humans, though the first movie did pretty well with that. I mean come on, a 28&#8242; robot saying &#8220;my bad&#8221; for demolishing your dad&#8217;s new backyard? Priceless. <img src='http://www.transformersfans.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: paolo</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the next movie will be loosely based on the 1986 movie with Prime dying and Hot Rod eveolving into Rodimus Prime.  That could lead to the emergence of the dinobots and then probably Devestator.  As the budget is bigger for the next movie the I expect the action scenes to be massive and many!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the next movie will be loosely based on the 1986 movie with Prime dying and Hot Rod eveolving into Rodimus Prime.  That could lead to the emergence of the dinobots and then probably Devestator.  As the budget is bigger for the next movie the I expect the action scenes to be massive and many!</p>
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