Comments on: New Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Trailer http://www.transformersfans.com/media/video/new-transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-trailer/ Just another WordPress weblog Sat, 24 Jul 2010 07:15:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Vengeful NERD http://www.transformersfans.com/media/video/new-transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-trailer/comment-page-1/#comment-39153 Vengeful NERD Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:59:19 +0000 http://www.transformersfans.com/?p=720#comment-39153 Okay, I’m starting to worry. Are there any sharp objects in your home, Straw Man? Should I call a neighbor and have someone come over and intervene? Here’s “what I want” from you, Straw Man, and perhaps even Second Banana over there (points to the corner). I want you to take your elitist, holier-than-thou, my-way-or-the-highway “fan” attitude and stick it right up your self-righteous asshole. No, really. Have Second Banana help you, since he’s so familiar with that part of your anatomy. I haven’t “resorted to” anything. Second Banana thought he’d be so kind to drop me a line; he called me stupid, and then proceeded to dismiss any rebuttal by simply saying it “wasn’t worth his time.” That’s not what a “grown-up” would do; hell, not even a grammar school kid. That’s what a two-bit, unoriginal, chicken-shit ass-kisser does when he’s trying to earn some points with “the boss.” If you want to blame someone for me “taking a shot at you,” look no further than the small space between your ass cheeks. Maybe the two page-long posts aren’t enough to make a point about me responding to your arguments (or what passes for an argument these days). If so, then I’ve got nothing left. But I’m not a quitter; it’s a flaw, but it’s what God has chosen to bestow upon me, and it’s what I’ve got to work with. The “question” is actually quite simple: who the fuck are you to call tell me, or anybody else, that they are or are not a fan of anything? How about I answer it for you, Second Banana style – you are nobody. You’re the same guy who bought the toys when you were a kid as I was, the kid who watched the same show I did and read the same comics I did; in short, you’re no different than any other person who’s ever even heard of Transformers. But for some reason you’ve taken it upon yourself to tell others that it is not acceptable for them to enjoy the new movie and be happy with it; it somehow disrespects the original so much so that any person who enjoys it less of a fan. And honestly, if you’re dissatisfaction with the movie was anything more than pure aesthetics, I’d understand. Hell, I probably never would’ve written a post at all, because I consider that a perfectly rational, honest reason for not liking it. But that’s not what you did (or, do, on this forum). Instead, you said the movie sucked because the crew hadn’t seen an episode of TF in their lives, and because of that, the plot was all wrong, the humans were all wrong, the vehicles were all wrong, etc. You yourself revealed your own double standard – you claim to be a fan of all renditions of TF, able to understand that each story, while containing the same characters in name and persona, actually looks different, transforms into a different vehicle/disguise, than the one that came before it. The simple fact that the movie is just another rendition of the original has somehow escaped you. Not just myself, but apparently other posters have tried to point that out to you, but no bother. You still respond with the same attitude and negative connotations of that person as a fan. There’s no reading between the lines required here, buddy. It’s all there, black and white, clear as crystal. Like I told Second Banana, even a “lawyer” doesn’t need to read between the lines when the words speak for themselves. What makes it worse, is that the examples you use to try and prove your point DON’T MAKE ANY SENSE! Here you go again with Captain Barry, etc., and then don’t even relate that example to anything that has happened in the film! Even the leg you have to stand on isn’t a sturdy one – using Devastator instead of Brawl was an editing mistake, and one that the film crew acknowledged. Besides, you saw it on screen for about 2 seconds. If the kids bought the toy, it had the original name; most of them probably won’t even remember, much less give two shits about it being a different name. This level of displeasure, based on a something I can’t even call a minute detail, isn’t the behavior of a fan at all. This is how an obsessive schizophrenic weirdo sounds. Sure enough, you lay it all out for us in your own words. Help me read between the lines here: “To A REAL FAN IT IS LIKE A RELIGION AND A WAY OF LIFE, A SEPARATE WORLD.” I consider myself a huge fan of TF. Not once in my life would I call this fantasy world a “religion,” or say that watching it was a religious experience. For the record, this one post I’ve “contradicted myself” on is nothing more than a Straw Boy, born of the loins of Straw Man himself. Our argument over Prime’s trailer being left out was because the practical nature of having Prime drag around his trailer and have to go and get it after he decided to move to another location is utterly retarded. In addition to the latter, I stated that I’d never seen the trailer do anything other than disappear in the original cartoon. Some months later, I pointed out that I saw it out of sheer coincidence while watching another cartoon on YouTube. It was there for about a second, and then it (surprise) magically disintegrated after Megatron KICKED IT INTO OBLIVION. So your argument is that I’m supposed to swallow the idea that the trailer can get around on its own in a live action movie by what exactly? MAGIC? A child would not accept the idea that the trailer just rolls around on its own, and not because of whether or not they remember it from a 20-year old cartoon, much less adults with any resembling a brain stem. They wouldn’t because it’s fucking dumb. As a parting note, let me enlighten you, Straw Man, and you can pass this onto Second Banana when he comes up for air. Picture this: let’s say everybody was as clinically insane as you, and no one bought into this new movie and was able to enjoy it on any level; not a single person disagreed with your assessment. How are all of these people not “sheep?” Does the label of “sheep” only depend on who the shepherd is? Because that’s what you’ve done. You basically created a label that claims to be arbitrary, but in reality is completely discretionary. Congratulations, you’ve just undone hundreds of years of progress in equality for all races, genders, religions, etc., because similarly situated people, in your opinion, could not possibly hold different views on anything as simple as Transformers. Okay, I’m starting to worry. Are there any sharp objects in your home, Straw Man? Should I call a neighbor and have someone come over and intervene?
Here’s “what I want” from you, Straw Man, and perhaps even Second Banana over there (points to the corner). I want you to take your elitist, holier-than-thou, my-way-or-the-highway “fan” attitude and stick it right up your self-righteous asshole. No, really. Have Second Banana help you, since he’s so familiar with that part of your anatomy.
I haven’t “resorted to” anything. Second Banana thought he’d be so kind to drop me a line; he called me stupid, and then proceeded to dismiss any rebuttal by simply saying it “wasn’t worth his time.” That’s not what a “grown-up” would do; hell, not even a grammar school kid. That’s what a two-bit, unoriginal, chicken-shit ass-kisser does when he’s trying to earn some points with “the boss.” If you want to blame someone for me “taking a shot at you,” look no further than the small space between your ass cheeks.
Maybe the two page-long posts aren’t enough to make a point about me responding to your arguments (or what passes for an argument these days). If so, then I’ve got nothing left. But I’m not a quitter; it’s a flaw, but it’s what God has chosen to bestow upon me, and it’s what I’ve got to work with. The “question” is actually quite simple: who the fuck are you to call tell me, or anybody else, that they are or are not a fan of anything? How about I answer it for you, Second Banana style – you are nobody. You’re the same guy who bought the toys when you were a kid as I was, the kid who watched the same show I did and read the same comics I did; in short, you’re no different than any other person who’s ever even heard of Transformers. But for some reason you’ve taken it upon yourself to tell others that it is not acceptable for them to enjoy the new movie and be happy with it; it somehow disrespects the original so much so that any person who enjoys it less of a fan. And honestly, if you’re dissatisfaction with the movie was anything more than pure aesthetics, I’d understand. Hell, I probably never would’ve written a post at all, because I consider that a perfectly rational, honest reason for not liking it. But that’s not what you did (or, do, on this forum).
Instead, you said the movie sucked because the crew hadn’t seen an episode of TF in their lives, and because of that, the plot was all wrong, the humans were all wrong, the vehicles were all wrong, etc. You yourself revealed your own double standard – you claim to be a fan of all renditions of TF, able to understand that each story, while containing the same characters in name and persona, actually looks different, transforms into a different vehicle/disguise, than the one that came before it. The simple fact that the movie is just another rendition of the original has somehow escaped you. Not just myself, but apparently other posters have tried to point that out to you, but no bother. You still respond with the same attitude and negative connotations of that person as a fan. There’s no reading between the lines required here, buddy. It’s all there, black and white, clear as crystal. Like I told Second Banana, even a “lawyer” doesn’t need to read between the lines when the words speak for themselves.
What makes it worse, is that the examples you use to try and prove your point DON’T MAKE ANY SENSE! Here you go again with Captain Barry, etc., and then don’t even relate that example to anything that has happened in the film! Even the leg you have to stand on isn’t a sturdy one – using Devastator instead of Brawl was an editing mistake, and one that the film crew acknowledged. Besides, you saw it on screen for about 2 seconds. If the kids bought the toy, it had the original name; most of them probably won’t even remember, much less give two shits about it being a different name. This level of displeasure, based on a something I can’t even call a minute detail, isn’t the behavior of a fan at all. This is how an obsessive schizophrenic weirdo sounds. Sure enough, you lay it all out for us in your own words. Help me read between the lines here: “To A REAL FAN IT IS LIKE A RELIGION AND A WAY OF LIFE, A SEPARATE WORLD.” I consider myself a huge fan of TF. Not once in my life would I call this fantasy world a “religion,” or say that watching it was a religious experience.
For the record, this one post I’ve “contradicted myself” on is nothing more than a Straw Boy, born of the loins of Straw Man himself. Our argument over Prime’s trailer being left out was because the practical nature of having Prime drag around his trailer and have to go and get it after he decided to move to another location is utterly retarded. In addition to the latter, I stated that I’d never seen the trailer do anything other than disappear in the original cartoon. Some months later, I pointed out that I saw it out of sheer coincidence while watching another cartoon on YouTube. It was there for about a second, and then it (surprise) magically disintegrated after Megatron KICKED IT INTO OBLIVION. So your argument is that I’m supposed to swallow the idea that the trailer can get around on its own in a live action movie by what exactly? MAGIC? A child would not accept the idea that the trailer just rolls around on its own, and not because of whether or not they remember it from a 20-year old cartoon, much less adults with any resembling a brain stem. They wouldn’t because it’s fucking dumb.
As a parting note, let me enlighten you, Straw Man, and you can pass this onto Second Banana when he comes up for air. Picture this: let’s say everybody was as clinically insane as you, and no one bought into this new movie and was able to enjoy it on any level; not a single person disagreed with your assessment. How are all of these people not “sheep?” Does the label of “sheep” only depend on who the shepherd is? Because that’s what you’ve done. You basically created a label that claims to be arbitrary, but in reality is completely discretionary. Congratulations, you’ve just undone hundreds of years of progress in equality for all races, genders, religions, etc., because similarly situated people, in your opinion, could not possibly hold different views on anything as simple as Transformers.

]]> By: w00kie http://www.transformersfans.com/media/video/new-transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-trailer/comment-page-1/#comment-39128 w00kie Sun, 21 Jun 2009 01:30:57 +0000 http://www.transformersfans.com/?p=720#comment-39128 What has "trouble with the English language" have to do with getting a point across..?? I mean this person who posted had no trouble with "Englais" ( sarcasm ) and it is apparent that this person UNDERSTOOD not just what I wrote but what "YOU" wrote...... Yes, what "You" wrote..!! If it is that bad then why can someone who 'has trouble with the english language' understand it in all it's simplicity..?? If this person can understand it with their "Englais" then you should have no reason NOT to.. ( Parle MORONIS ) So I ask you, "what do you want from me"..?? Do you want me to accept that you are a TF generation-1 fan..?? If that's so then I do but only as a "paper fan", nothing more..!! You claim you think freely, and yet you accept what the masses feed on, be it statistics and the like, is that a fan or a statistician..?? Figures have nothing to do with being a fan, the whole thing is a reality in itself and to make it and call it "kiddie" means you are not down with it.. Is this FANDOM..?? NO, far from it, to accept something severly "altered" that it resembles not the character even in name is sacrilege.. You "accept" this and you call yourself a TF fan..?? Secondly taking a swipe at me simply because someone mentioned my name in their post and in turn insulting them is pretty lame... Rewind said it best 'it's a sign of a loosing battle'.. What... has your ego been battered and bruised so much so that you have to resort to this..?? __________________________________________________________________________ What is there that I DID NOT RE-BUTT or BACK-UP Mr. Nerd..?? Perhaps your punishing me for your "capability" of not being able to answer questions directly; In turn making me wade through what was already mentioned that has put holes in your "so called" fandom.. In past posts you have challenged me to point out what has not been addressed... NEWSFLASH... I DID THAT..!! Answered them by "request" and you have acknowleged and yet you seem to "forget" or "deny" what has been... And yet you still ask the question, name "JUST ONE" point that has not been addressed"..?? yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah etc... So I ask you again what do you want from me..?? Explain..?? Perhaps there is an underlying issue here..?? Is there something your not telling me..?? Someone else even came to the same conclusion as I, yet you still ask the SAME question.. I am beginning to believe parrots have found a way to use a keyboard, and if it was simpler perhaps a lobotomized Baboon connected to an Ipod in other words a "Gen Y monkey'.. I don't need someone to back me up, nor does anyone need my help in telling you the obvious.. Anyone who knows enough about transformers is more than capable, but let me ask you something Mr. Nerd if I may... If more than one person (not just a Second-banana slave) that is not on the same side, say the same thing and come to the same conclusion based on the same information what is that..?? It must have some truth based on something that came BEFORE the movie, that my friend is called "logic"..!! DO YOU WANT ME TO REMIND YOU what you "acknowleged" that contradicts what you say?? Hmmmmmmm..?? Or do you want to "ignore" what was mentioned much earlier ( and don't give me this "selective" info bullshit, I am pretty sure you like to skip what you cannot answer ) Do you want me to re-post "EVERYTHING" to refresh your memory..?? I am sure that is the "logical" thing to do..?? Oh... by the way, who said anything about your "logic" being flawed..?? Perhaps full of shit but nothing wrong with it being "logically" shit.. You have mentioned you know what was posted and yet you seem to "conveniently" avoid posts and you let me do "all the work" of having to "cut and paste" for your amusement.. Gee, is this what gets you off..?? The only way to shut you up is to simply point out "JUST ONE" that has not been addressed.. Or is your intention to simply bury truth and put out a "selective" truth..?? My argument from the outset is based on "Why Micheal bay changed the cartoon"..?? Example Devastator, in the cartoon, he was made up of six constructicons, in the first movie he was a tank with the same name and in the sequel he's made up of six constructicons again or was that seven in Bay's 'interpretation'..?? What... Micheal Bay can just chop and change as he pleases because he's got rights to the movie and money to back him up..?? Or was it because he fucked up..?? And all he wants to do is right his wrongs..?? Never mind the fans of the 80' right..?? Never mind an accepted universe set in concrete..?? Never mind the cartoons that started it all..?? Never mind the fact that the toys came before the cartoon..?? Let's just base it all on Generation 2, beast wars, Armada and the rest of the spin offs but you have to understand one thing vengeful NERD that if it weren't for generation 1 and the toys before that, they would not exist..... Megatron is now a tank, which series is BAY basing it is on..?? If it's Gen2 then yes.. However, one of the new constructicons ( Hightower ) he was originally an Autobot crane in a Japanese TV series called 'car Robots' that series was later known in the western world as 'Robots in Disguise', so how can he suddenly become a Decepticon..?? I know this because I have seen this series in all it's Japanese glory many years ago, despite the fact that I know absolutely fuck all Japanese... combined with the fact that I own the toy of 'Hightower' in all it's goodness, even though ( and I can't confirm this ) there were other variants of him.. With this brings me to your point 'does the whole premise of the story change because of these name changes'..?? You wanted to challenge me, if I had as much time as you to point out what has not been addressed I'd be happy to do it, hell I'd fly first class to the States or wherever the hell you live and hand deliver my answer in person.. But I won't do that because you wanted 'JUST ONE' that has not been addressed, well... I did that time and time again - Post after Post. You also mentioned that 'You don't have to read between the lines as the lines are enough', or is that it 'YOU DON'T WANT TO'..?? Or is it the fact that it's not that you don't understand my posts, it's because 'YOU DON'T WANT TO'..?? You also mentioned that my posts aren't self-explanatory'.. OK then... In what way aren't they..?? Would a Star Trek fan accept "Star Trek" if Captain James T. Kirk's name was changed to "BARRY" and turned into a BORG.. Would that not change his history and profile hence the "character"..?? How about "Star Wars" if someone changed "Yoda" into a 6' foot Bounty Hunter, put a gold rune on his head and called him "TealC"( from stargate sg-1 fame ) As a hypothetical what if Micheal Bay got the rights to both Star Trek and Star Wars and altered it completely because it "does not shoot well on film"..?? Perhaps make a Borg ship round and call it a "corsair class" or better yet, change the Millenium Falcon into "The Ark"..?? So I ask again 'Does the whole premise of the story change because of name changes and character assassination'..?? Let us relate this to The Transformers Universe... The cartoon that started it all.. You just pissed and taken a big dump on an accepted 'canon'.. This universe is a reference point SET IN CEMENT, to alter it is not what any real "fan" would do.. So what did our "favorite" director and "scriptwriters extraordinaire (Kurtsman and Orci) Do..?? Where is the respect of the subject matter..?? Where is the love for it..?? Where is The passion..?? I'd hate to see what Robotech ( originally Macross ) would look like in their "capable" hands. Is that what a fan does....... HORSESHIT. A true fan BUILDS on the accepted Universe/Reality, NOT BITS and PIECES, not recyled info, not what is cool, not the "all spark" ( which is not where personalities of every TF is kept or derived from.. ) it is based on "What started it all" THE ORIGIN.. What...... you think by putting in Peter Cullen you can call it G-1 based...?? To A REAL FAN IT IS LIKE A RELIGION AND A WAY OF LIFE, A SEPARATE WORLD. A fan has that imagination, a "true" fan... A "SHEEP" on the other hand only want it for the popularity, nothing more.. These are people who buy the toys, preach but in the end when the "Fad" dies they move on to something else.. DO YOU SEE WHERE THIS IS HEADING.......?? What has “trouble with the English language” have to do with getting a point across..?? I mean this person who posted had no trouble with “Englais” ( sarcasm ) and it is apparent that this person UNDERSTOOD not just what I wrote but what “YOU” wrote…… Yes, what “You” wrote..!!

If it is that bad then why can someone who ‘has trouble with the english language’ understand it in all it’s simplicity..?? If this person can understand it with their “Englais” then you should have no reason NOT to.. ( Parle MORONIS )

So I ask you, “what do you want from me”..?? Do you want me to accept that you are a TF generation-1 fan..?? If that’s so then I do but only as a “paper fan”, nothing more..!! You claim you think freely, and yet you accept what the masses feed on, be it statistics and the like, is that a fan or a statistician..??

Figures have nothing to do with being a fan, the whole thing is a reality in itself and to make it and call it “kiddie” means you are not down with it.. Is this FANDOM..?? NO, far from it, to accept something severly “altered” that it resembles not the character even in name is sacrilege.. You “accept” this and you call yourself a TF fan..??

Secondly taking a swipe at me simply because someone mentioned my name in their post and in turn insulting them is pretty lame… Rewind said it best ‘it’s a sign of a loosing battle’.. What… has your ego been battered and bruised so much so that you have to resort to this..??
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What is there that I DID NOT RE-BUTT or BACK-UP Mr. Nerd..??

Perhaps your punishing me for your “capability” of not being able to answer questions directly; In turn making me wade through what was already mentioned that has put holes in your “so called” fandom..
In past posts you have challenged me to point out what has not been addressed… NEWSFLASH… I DID THAT..!! Answered them by “request” and you have acknowleged and yet you seem to “forget” or “deny” what has been… And yet you still ask the question, name “JUST ONE” point that has not been addressed”..??

yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah etc… So I ask you again what do you want from me..??

Explain..?? Perhaps there is an underlying issue here..?? Is there something your not telling me..?? Someone else even came to the same conclusion as I, yet you still ask the SAME question..

I am beginning to believe parrots have found a way to use a keyboard, and if it was simpler perhaps a lobotomized Baboon connected to an Ipod in other words a “Gen Y monkey’.. I don’t need someone to back me up, nor does anyone need my help in telling you the obvious.. Anyone who knows enough about transformers is more than capable, but let me ask you something Mr. Nerd if I may… If more than one person (not just a Second-banana slave) that is not on the same side, say the same thing and come to the same conclusion based on the same information what is that..??

It must have some truth based on something that came BEFORE the movie, that my friend is called “logic”..!!

DO YOU WANT ME TO REMIND YOU what you “acknowleged” that contradicts what you say?? Hmmmmmmm..?? Or do you want to “ignore” what was mentioned much earlier ( and don’t give me this “selective” info bullshit, I am pretty sure you like to skip what you cannot answer ) Do you want me to re-post “EVERYTHING” to refresh your memory..?? I am sure that is the “logical” thing to do..?? Oh… by the way, who said anything about your “logic” being flawed..?? Perhaps full of shit but nothing wrong with it being “logically” shit..

You have mentioned you know what was posted and yet you seem to “conveniently” avoid posts and you let me do “all the work” of having to “cut and paste” for your amusement.. Gee, is this what gets you off..??

The only way to shut you up is to simply point out “JUST ONE” that has not been addressed.. Or is your intention to simply bury truth and put out a “selective” truth..??

My argument from the outset is based on “Why Micheal bay changed the cartoon”..?? Example Devastator, in the cartoon, he was made up of six constructicons, in the first movie he was a tank with the same name and in the sequel he’s made up of six constructicons again or was that seven in Bay’s ‘interpretation’..?? What… Micheal Bay can just chop and change as he pleases because he’s got rights to the movie and money to back him up..?? Or was it because he fucked up..?? And all he wants to do is right his wrongs..??

Never mind the fans of the 80′ right..?? Never mind an accepted universe set in concrete..?? Never mind the cartoons that started it all..?? Never mind the fact that the toys came before the cartoon..?? Let’s just base it all on Generation 2, beast wars, Armada and the rest of the spin offs but you have to understand one thing vengeful NERD that if it weren’t for generation 1 and the toys before that, they would not exist…..

Megatron is now a tank, which series is BAY basing it is on..?? If it’s Gen2 then yes.. However, one of the new constructicons ( Hightower ) he was originally an Autobot crane in a Japanese TV series called ‘car Robots’ that series was later known in the western world as ‘Robots in Disguise’, so how can he suddenly become a Decepticon..?? I know this because I have seen this series in all it’s Japanese glory many years ago, despite the fact that I know absolutely fuck all Japanese… combined with the fact that I own the toy of ‘Hightower’ in all it’s goodness, even though ( and I can’t confirm this ) there were other variants of him.. With this brings me to your point ‘does the whole premise of the story change because of these name changes’..??

You wanted to challenge me, if I had as much time as you to point out what has not been addressed I’d be happy to do it, hell I’d fly first class to the States or wherever the hell you live and hand deliver my answer in person.. But I won’t do that because you wanted ‘JUST ONE’ that has not been addressed, well… I did that time and time again – Post after Post.

You also mentioned that ‘You don’t have to read between the lines as the lines are enough’, or is that it ‘YOU DON’T WANT TO’..?? Or is it the fact that it’s not that you don’t understand my posts, it’s because ‘YOU DON’T WANT TO’..?? You also mentioned that my posts aren’t self-explanatory’.. OK then… In what way aren’t they..??

Would a Star Trek fan accept “Star Trek” if Captain James T. Kirk’s name was changed to “BARRY” and turned into a BORG.. Would that not change his history and profile hence the “character”..?? How about “Star Wars” if someone changed “Yoda” into a 6′ foot Bounty Hunter, put a gold rune on his head and called him “TealC”( from stargate sg-1 fame ) As a
hypothetical what if Micheal Bay got the rights to both Star Trek and Star Wars and altered it completely because it “does not shoot well on film”..?? Perhaps make a Borg ship round and call it a “corsair class” or better yet, change the Millenium Falcon into “The Ark”..?? So I ask again ‘Does the whole premise of the story change because of name changes and
character assassination’..??

Let us relate this to The Transformers Universe… The cartoon that started it all.. You just pissed and taken a big dump on an accepted ‘canon’.. This universe is a reference point SET IN CEMENT, to alter it is not what any real “fan” would do.. So what did our “favorite” director and “scriptwriters extraordinaire (Kurtsman and Orci) Do..??

Where is the respect of the subject matter..?? Where is the love for it..?? Where is The passion..?? I’d hate to see what Robotech
( originally Macross ) would look like in their “capable” hands.

Is that what a fan does……. HORSESHIT.

A true fan BUILDS on the accepted Universe/Reality, NOT BITS and PIECES, not recyled info, not what is cool, not the “all spark” ( which is not where personalities of every TF is kept or derived from.. ) it is based on “What started it all” THE ORIGIN..

What…… you think by putting in Peter Cullen you can call it G-1 based…??

To A REAL FAN IT IS LIKE A RELIGION AND A WAY OF LIFE, A SEPARATE WORLD.

A fan has that imagination, a “true” fan… A “SHEEP” on the other hand only want it for the popularity, nothing more.. These are people who buy the toys, preach but in the end when the “Fad” dies they move on to something else..

DO YOU SEE WHERE THIS IS HEADING…….??

]]> By: Vengeful NERD http://www.transformersfans.com/media/video/new-transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-trailer/comment-page-1/#comment-38942 Vengeful NERD Tue, 16 Jun 2009 05:52:05 +0000 http://www.transformersfans.com/?p=720#comment-38942 Spectacular! Not only can w00kie not rebut anything I’ve said for the past year, but now I’ve got Phaze, a.k.a. Second-Banana to w00kie, telling me he’s got better things to do than take w00kie’s side or argue with me about TF. I shouldn’t have to point out the irony of this post to anybody else, except perhaps Phaze and w00kie, since they seem to have trouble not only with the English language but with anything resembling logic. Apparently all people who think like Second-Banana are ‘individual thinkers,’ but those who, like myself and numerous others, actually enjoyed Bay’s TF movie are all ‘sheep.’ Once again, another ironical statement by someone who has claimed the moral high ground when it comes to fan accreditation. But in the interest of entertainment, I’ll answer your query Second-Banana: no, w00kie’s posts are not self-explanatory because they fail to explain not only the inconsistencies with his pseudo-logic but with his insistent belief that I have yet to point them out. I don’t haveto “read between the lines” when the lines themselves are enough. Apparently Law & Order doesn’t tell normal folk that’s the easiest part of being a lawyer. I don’t expect you to respond to this, since it’s obviously a drain on your precious time, but I’ll extend the same challenge to you, Second-Banana, as I did to your big brother w00kie, who from henceforth, I shall refer to as Straw Man. Point out just one of my posts, JUST ONE, where my logic is flawed. Have at it, you beef-witted apple-john. Spectacular! Not only can w00kie not rebut anything I’ve said for the past year, but now I’ve got Phaze, a.k.a. Second-Banana to w00kie, telling me he’s got better things to do than take w00kie’s side or argue with me about TF. I shouldn’t have to point out the irony of this post to anybody else, except perhaps Phaze and w00kie, since they seem to have trouble not only with the English language but with anything resembling logic. Apparently all people who think like Second-Banana are ‘individual thinkers,’ but those who, like myself and numerous others, actually enjoyed Bay’s TF movie are all ‘sheep.’ Once again, another ironical statement by someone who has claimed the moral high ground when it comes to fan accreditation.
But in the interest of entertainment, I’ll answer your query
Second-Banana: no, w00kie’s posts are not self-explanatory because they
fail to explain not only the inconsistencies with his pseudo-logic but
with his insistent belief that I have yet to point them out. I don’t haveto “read between the lines” when the lines themselves are enough.
Apparently Law & Order doesn’t tell normal folk that’s the easiest part of being a lawyer.
I don’t expect you to respond to this, since it’s obviously a drain on
your precious time, but I’ll extend the same challenge to you,
Second-Banana, as I did to your big brother w00kie, who from henceforth, I shall refer to as Straw Man. Point out just one of my posts, JUST ONE, where my logic is flawed. Have at it, you beef-witted apple-john.

]]> By: Phaze http://www.transformersfans.com/media/video/new-transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-trailer/comment-page-1/#comment-38833 Phaze Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:14:52 +0000 http://www.transformersfans.com/?p=720#comment-38833 I've been in this forum countless times but never posted anything - however, after scrolling through some of the topics on this site I came across your rantings... And I gotta say Venegeful NERD for someone who has no idea you sure have a lot to say.. You know, w00kie was right about you, your nothing more then a poser.. You are nothing more then a 'Generation Y Monkey' along with Shawn and Darthchop, your posts point to one thing... you along with the other sheep ( Shawn, Darthchop, and the other TF fan wannabees ) are trying to hard to be apart off and fit into the 'in crowd'.. I'm not a massive fan of TF, but I know enough to say that your full of shit.. Now, I'm not defending W00kie nor taking his side or anyone else as I have better things to... And I sure as hell don't have the time to get into a verbal altercation with you on the topic of TF, as it'll be way too easy to shoot your points down, but which parts of his posts don't you understand..?? His posts are pretty self-explanatory wouldn't you say..?? I also read that your in Law School, if that is true, then ( and correct me if I'm wrong ) don't lawyers read between the line and dissect what is being said and/or written...?? I mean literally Vengeful NERD that's what they do, so how come your not following suite..?? And as a parting note, the whole 'Arcee being a hunter' debate... One question, where in any of the countless publications over the years does it say and/or stipulate that Arcee was a hunter..?? They do stipulate that she was willing to participate in war, but that doesn't mean she is a hunter nor does it mean that because she is prepared to die she should be classified a hunter... I’ve been in this forum countless times but never posted anything – however, after scrolling through some of the topics on this site I came across your rantings… And I gotta say Venegeful NERD for someone who has no idea you sure have a lot to say.. You know, w00kie was right about you, your nothing more then a poser.. You are nothing more then a ‘Generation Y Monkey’ along with Shawn and Darthchop, your posts point to one thing… you along with the other sheep ( Shawn, Darthchop, and the other TF fan wannabees ) are trying to hard to be apart off and fit into the ‘in crowd’.. I’m not a massive fan of TF, but I know enough to say that your full of shit.. Now, I’m not defending W00kie nor taking his side or anyone else as I have better things to…

And I sure as hell don’t have the time to get into a verbal altercation with you on the topic of TF, as it’ll be way too easy to shoot your points down, but which parts of his posts don’t you understand..?? His posts are pretty self-explanatory wouldn’t you say..?? I also read that your in Law School, if that is true, then ( and correct me if I’m wrong ) don’t lawyers read between the line and dissect what is being said and/or written…?? I mean literally Vengeful NERD that’s what they do, so how come your not following suite..?? And as a parting note, the whole ‘Arcee being a hunter’ debate… One question, where in any of the countless publications over the years does it say and/or stipulate that Arcee was a hunter..?? They do stipulate that she was willing to participate in war, but that doesn’t mean she is a hunter nor does it mean that because she is prepared to die she should be classified a hunter…

]]> By: Vengeful NERD http://www.transformersfans.com/media/video/new-transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-trailer/comment-page-1/#comment-35217 Vengeful NERD Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:41:45 +0000 http://www.transformersfans.com/?p=720#comment-35217 Perhaps I should explain what "premise" means to w00kie. (Using Morgan Freeman's voice-over) A premise, as a literary tool, is the driving force behind a story. It is the skeletal design by which all characters, events and ideas come from. In many works of interpretation, details about characters, or events or ideas may change form, but the premise remains the same. Translated to w00kie speak, Hrrrrrrraaaarrrrrhhhhhhggggg. Rather, as long as the main idea of Transformers stays the same, the characters may change form, the events may be somewhat altered, and the details therein may be different. The premise for the original was (1) alien robots land on Earth, (2) two groups of said robots are sworn enemies, and (3) robots disguise themselves as vehicles in order to avoid unnecessary and problematic encounters with Earth's inhabitants. By having a robot with a similar function, albeit a different name or color, Bay has not affected the premise of the story AT ALL. You're substituting "premise" with "details." Also, I based my opinion on what Mirage's profile says on the box of the original toy. Without going back and finding exactly who referred me to it, I checked both Mirage's profile and Arcee's. To paraphrase, Mirage's profile reads "Mirage is not thrilled about being an Autobot freedom fighter. Prefers hunting turbofoxes on Cybertron with his high-priced friends. Effective fighter, more effective intelligence gatherer. Electro-disrupter can cast illusions altering his physical placement and appearance for up to 6 minutes. Expert marksman with armor-piercing rocket-dart hunting rifle. Unsure of Autobot cause... cant be fully trusted." Again paraphrasing, Arcee's NEW toy profile reads "ARCEE is a born hunter. Before joining the AUTOBOTS, she passed her time tracking turbofoxes on CYBERTRON with some of the other speedsters, taking great pride in approaching as close as she could to them, quickly and silently, before tagging them with her bow. She’s brought those skills with her to Earth, where she passes the days stalking unsuspecting DECEPTICONS until she draws close enough to strike." I don't recall exactly having a "debate," what I do recall was that a discussion about how essentially Arcee and Mirage had identical profiles. My reference to the hunter context is distinguished by how Arcee is a more willing participant in the war, and Mirage is more or less coerced into fighting. The idea was pointing out the technical similarities (cyberfox hunting), and the differences (Arcee is "bornn hunter," Mirage "would rather not fight...rather hunt w/ high-priced friends). Perhaps using 'hunter' in that context was improper, and I see how it's confusing. Perhaps I should explain what “premise” means to w00kie. (Using Morgan Freeman’s voice-over) A premise, as a literary tool, is the driving force behind a story. It is the skeletal design by which all characters, events and ideas come from. In many works of interpretation, details about characters, or events or ideas may change form, but the premise remains the same. Translated to w00kie speak, Hrrrrrrraaaarrrrrhhhhhhggggg. Rather, as long as the main idea of Transformers stays the same, the characters may change form, the events may be somewhat altered, and the details therein may be different. The premise for the original was (1) alien robots land on Earth, (2) two groups of said robots are sworn enemies, and (3) robots disguise themselves as vehicles in order to avoid unnecessary and problematic encounters with Earth’s inhabitants. By having a robot with a similar function, albeit a different name or color, Bay has not affected the premise of the story AT ALL. You’re substituting “premise” with “details.”
Also, I based my opinion on what Mirage’s profile says on the box of the original toy. Without going back and finding exactly who referred me to it, I checked both Mirage’s profile and Arcee’s. To paraphrase, Mirage’s profile reads “Mirage is not thrilled about being an Autobot freedom fighter. Prefers hunting turbofoxes on Cybertron with his high-priced friends. Effective fighter, more effective intelligence gatherer. Electro-disrupter can cast illusions altering his physical placement and appearance for up to 6 minutes. Expert marksman with armor-piercing rocket-dart hunting rifle. Unsure of Autobot cause… cant be fully trusted.” Again paraphrasing, Arcee’s NEW toy profile reads “ARCEE is a born hunter. Before joining the AUTOBOTS, she passed her time tracking turbofoxes on CYBERTRON with some of the other speedsters, taking great pride in approaching as close as she could to them, quickly and silently, before tagging them with her bow. She’s brought those skills with her to Earth, where she passes the days stalking unsuspecting DECEPTICONS until she draws close enough to strike.” I don’t recall exactly having a “debate,” what I do recall was that a discussion about how essentially Arcee and Mirage had identical profiles. My reference to the hunter context is distinguished by how Arcee is a more willing participant in the war, and Mirage is more or less coerced into fighting. The idea was pointing out the technical similarities (cyberfox hunting), and the differences (Arcee is “bornn hunter,” Mirage “would rather not fight…rather hunt w/ high-priced friends). Perhaps using ‘hunter’ in that context was improper, and I see how it’s confusing.

]]> By: w00kie http://www.transformersfans.com/media/video/new-transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-trailer/comment-page-1/#comment-35193 w00kie Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:13:02 +0000 http://www.transformersfans.com/?p=720#comment-35193 Getting back to the whole 'does the premise of the story change because of a couple of name changes'.. Well if memory serves me correctly Hightower was an Autobot crane... and as for Demolishor yes he was a dump truck at one point and a cybertronian tank at one point also if memory serves me correctly, but he appeared in TF - armada and TF - energon never in earlier series.. So inadvertently Michael Bay has changed the premise of the story through incompetence and lack of research... why he had to substitute names to right his wrongs is beyond me, if he couldn't keep the original names to the original contructicon crew - he should have just left out devestator all together and stayed with 'the revenge of the fallen' concept and worked on that idea more.. It is kinda pointless interchanging the whole premise, substituting names from other series' and/or factions ( alas Hightower being an Autobot ) or making up entirely new names to give the movie some more depth and/or right the wrongs.. And yes Vengeful NERD I am fully aware that we have been through this, but can you give me a rational answer this time around please..?? And remember the debate we had towards the end of last year about who was the actual hunter - was is Mirage or Arcee...?? You still didn't get back to me on that one, and if memory serves me correctly you were the one who stated that it was Arcee... can you shed some more light on that subject please..?? :) Getting back to the whole ‘does the premise of the story change because of a couple of name changes’.. Well if memory serves me correctly Hightower was an Autobot crane… and as for Demolishor yes he was a dump truck at one point and a cybertronian tank at one point also if memory serves me correctly, but he appeared in TF – armada and TF – energon never in earlier series.. So inadvertently Michael Bay has changed the premise of the story through incompetence and lack of research… why he had to substitute names to right his wrongs is beyond me, if he couldn’t keep the original names to the original contructicon crew – he should have just left out devestator all together and stayed with ‘the revenge of the fallen’ concept and worked on that idea more.. It is kinda pointless interchanging the whole premise, substituting names from other series’ and/or factions ( alas Hightower being an Autobot ) or making up entirely new names to give the movie some more depth and/or right the wrongs.. And yes Vengeful NERD I am fully aware that we have been through this, but can you give me a rational answer this time around please..??

And remember the debate we had towards the end of last year about who was the actual hunter – was is Mirage or Arcee…?? You still didn’t get back to me on that one, and if memory serves me correctly you were the one who stated that it was Arcee… can you shed some more light on that subject please..?? :)

]]> By: w00kie http://www.transformersfans.com/media/video/new-transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-trailer/comment-page-1/#comment-34612 w00kie Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:31:07 +0000 http://www.transformersfans.com/?p=720#comment-34612 Darthchop is that really you..?? Where you been hiding all this time... what, was your cave becoming a bit too cold so you came out of hibernation..?? You must have been in that cave of yours for quite a while, because a lot has changed over the years Darthchop.. And to answer your 'Maybe we should all do that… just google everything about the TF’s and pretend that we’ve known all this stuff since we were kids because we’re the most die-hard TF fans to have ever lived!' question... Have you heard of such things as 'Comics' - 'Books' - 'DVDs' ( yes Darthchop they really do exist ) ..?? So why bother google everything or looking it up on Wikipedia, when I have the real thing..?? I can understand your frustration and the fact that you have been away from society all this time, but there is no need to make such pointless comments in your posts... because all you have to do is go to your nearest Wal*Mart or some other retail book outlet and see all those wonderful TF books / comics / DVDs that you can actually purchase.. Oh and Darthchop I do know the difference between Soundwave and Frenzy, I know how to read.. :) Darthchop is that really you..?? Where you been hiding all this time… what, was your cave becoming a bit too cold so you came out of hibernation..?? You must have been in that cave of yours for quite a while, because a lot has changed over the years Darthchop..

And to answer your ‘Maybe we should all do that… just google everything about the TF’s and pretend that we’ve known all this stuff since we were kids because we’re the most die-hard TF fans to have ever lived!’ question… Have you heard of such things as ‘Comics’ – ‘Books’ – ‘DVDs’ ( yes Darthchop they really do exist ) ..?? So why bother google everything or looking it up on Wikipedia, when I have the real thing..?? I can understand your frustration and the fact that you have been away from society all this time, but there is no need to make such pointless comments in your posts… because all you have to do is go to your nearest Wal*Mart or some other retail book outlet and see all those wonderful TF books / comics / DVDs that you can actually purchase.. Oh and Darthchop I do know the difference between Soundwave and Frenzy, I know how to read..

:)

]]> By: Vengeful NERD http://www.transformersfans.com/media/video/new-transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-trailer/comment-page-1/#comment-34319 Vengeful NERD Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:11:53 +0000 http://www.transformersfans.com/?p=720#comment-34319 Yes! Thank You! Finally some progress. You got me, and I already talked about that episode, on a YouTube video that lasted for a split second. Any more? I'm DYING to see which other posts I've 'ignored.' Yes! Thank You! Finally some progress. You got me, and I already talked about that episode, on a YouTube video that lasted for a split second. Any more? I’m DYING to see which other posts I’ve ‘ignored.’

]]> By: w00kie http://www.transformersfans.com/media/video/new-transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-trailer/comment-page-1/#comment-34318 w00kie Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:04:06 +0000 http://www.transformersfans.com/?p=720#comment-34318 'Finally, not a single one of those posts has a list of episodes where that trailer is used, other than my recent ‘discovery.’ Futher, being the expert you hold yourself out to be, you couldn’t even find it' - Venegeful NERD Comment by w00kie Subscribed to comments via email 2008-09-20 23:00:09 I went through the entire Gen 1 series, well fast forwarded at 100x on my dvd player, but that is beside the point (albiet I may have missed a few things along the way), however, I did manage to get a glimps of OP’s trailer opening up to reveal some of the contents minus the autobot luncher.. Obviously, what I did see didn’t quite resemble the toy, but certain trailer parts were visible, even for a split second… because it was towards the end of the episode titled ‘more then meets the eye part 3′.. There were other times where just the back of the trailer opened to not only reveal ‘roller’ but in some episodes mounted weapons.. ‘Finally, not a single one of those posts has a list of episodes where that trailer is used, other than my recent ‘discovery.’ Futher, being the expert you hold yourself out to be, you couldn’t even find it’ – Venegeful NERD

Comment by w00kie Subscribed to comments via email
2008-09-20 23:00:09

I went through the entire Gen 1 series, well fast forwarded at 100x on my dvd player, but that is beside the point (albiet I may have missed a few things along the way), however, I did manage to get a glimps of OP’s trailer opening up to reveal some of the contents minus the autobot luncher.. Obviously, what I did see didn’t quite resemble the toy, but certain trailer parts were visible, even for a split second… because it was towards the end of the episode titled ‘more then meets the eye part 3′.. There were other times where just the back of the trailer opened to not only reveal ‘roller’ but in some episodes mounted weapons..

]]> By: Vengeful NERD http://www.transformersfans.com/media/video/new-transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-trailer/comment-page-1/#comment-34281 Vengeful NERD Mon, 06 Apr 2009 21:27:57 +0000 http://www.transformersfans.com/?p=720#comment-34281 ...Or you could actually do as I ask, and stop crying about it. I dont' get it - all you have to do is look at the list on THIS PAGE, and find me one. Just one. I don't think it's too much to ask. Don't gimme this nonsense cop-out, "After this, I won't bother to PROVE you wrong, you just ARE" crap. That's what people who can't support what they're trying to get across say when they've lost, and you don't strike me as a quitter. Second, I'm starting to suspect you have a problem reading the posts on this site. No where in DarthChop's little barb does it say that I avoided 'certain' posts. If anything, he agrees with ME, although he might add that I'm pretty dense for even wasting my time. Look, I put every post of yours going back to June of 2007 on this one page (excluding one's exclusively about Megan Fox or other irrelevant non-TF subjects), to do you a favor. This way, you don't have to wait to load each page; just scroll down and 'inspect' them. Finally, not a single one of those posts has a list of episodes where that trailer is used, other than my recent 'discovery.' Futher, being the expert you hold yourself out to be, you couldn't even find it, so what does that say about you? My point is that I tried to at least bow to you on a small point where I was wrong, and here you go, crowing about stuff that, once AGAIN, you can't back up with proof. Funny, you managed to respond to this post rather quickly, but can't seem to find the time to go through a (lengthy, but still) post on the same page... …Or you could actually do as I ask, and stop crying about it. I dont’ get it – all you have to do is look at the list on THIS PAGE, and find me one. Just one. I don’t think it’s too much to ask. Don’t gimme this nonsense cop-out, “After this, I won’t bother to PROVE you wrong, you just ARE” crap. That’s what people who can’t support what they’re trying to get across say when they’ve lost, and you don’t strike me as a quitter.
Second, I’m starting to suspect you have a problem reading the posts on this site. No where in DarthChop’s little barb does it say that I avoided ‘certain’ posts. If anything, he agrees with ME, although he might add that I’m pretty dense for even wasting my time. Look, I put every post of yours going back to June of 2007 on this one page (excluding one’s exclusively about Megan Fox or other irrelevant non-TF subjects), to do you a favor. This way, you don’t have to wait to load each page; just scroll down and ‘inspect’ them.
Finally, not a single one of those posts has a list of episodes where that trailer is used, other than my recent ‘discovery.’ Futher, being the expert you hold yourself out to be, you couldn’t even find it, so what does that say about you? My point is that I tried to at least bow to you on a small point where I was wrong, and here you go, crowing about stuff that, once AGAIN, you can’t back up with proof.
Funny, you managed to respond to this post rather quickly, but can’t seem to find the time to go through a (lengthy, but still) post on the same page…

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