w00kie, the easiest way to shut me up would be to actually write or describe this mythical ‘argument/point’ of yours that I’ve somehow ignored. The way you make arguments is by showing proof. It’s your responsibility to convince me, or whomever, by actually showing me where I’m wrong. So far from you, all you’ve said is “Scroll up the page.” News flash – I did that. I even wrote a whole list of things that I not only already addressed, but also the lack of your rebuttals. Strange, you actually never replied to that particular post of mine. In fact, I was checking one of the site’s new announcements, and I noticed that you started trying to rip on me on another page, one that I hadn’t even posted on yet. Perhaps you thought I wouldn’t notice, but hey, I just call ‘em like I sees ‘em.
The fact that you keep changing the issue is truly lowering my expectations. I ask you to point out which argument I didn’t discuss, and you say scroll up the page. So, I scroll up, look around at EVERYTHING YOU WROTE ON THAT PAGE, and find nothing. Yet, I still rehash the old discussions, just to show that I made the effort, and then you complain that I “conveniently left stuff out.” Huh? Again, if there actually is something that I missed, the easiest and most TRUTHFUL way to prove it is to actually SHOW it. I suspect it isn’t that difficult, so here I am, waiting to witness this brooding omnipresence you claim exists.
Even when I concede that there were mistakes made – specifically referring to the names used in TF1, Devestator and Bonecrusher – in your mind, I’m still a fake. There’s two ways to fix these editing mistakes. For one, Bay & Co could just say they made a mistake (actually, I think they did mention a while back that it was an oversight that the name Devastator was used for the tank, when the plan was to make his name Brawl), and just use it again. The other way is to admit the mistake, and then use a different name, which is what they’ve done now. You’re big on using adverbs and wonderfully quaint little sayings, so here’s one to chew on: A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. Translation: so what if one of the Constructicons has a different name? HE’S STILL THE SAME CHARACTER! Until they start giving him names like Steve and Mike, and they wear people clothes and Nikes, I just don’t see people walking out of the theatre because of this.
This is also the second time you’ve brought up another cartoon, e.g., Thundercats, as a crutch. Here’s the thing: if a moviemaker took a character from Thundercats, like say, Panthro, and he was black instead of blue and gray, I wouldn’t complain; there are black panthers, there are gray panthers, and for the purpose of the film, it probably wouldn’t be a deal breaker because it doesn’t ruin any of his essential characteristics, like his personality. However, if they made him look like a leopard, that would bother me because if his name’s Panthro, and he looks like a leopard, the whole idea of his namesake being related to what kind of cat he is would be gone. That’s what you’re saying has happened with TF, and I completely disagree.
You’re not following the argument about the costs of multiple cars to their logical end. If they movie only needed one car, then yeah, they’d probably be able to get more of them. But this film is all about cars and trucks. Lots of different kinds, so they’d need lots and lots of cars; we’re not talking about 2 Lamborghini’s versus 4 Lamborghini’s, we’re talking about 2 or 3 Audi’s plus 3 or 4 Camaro’s plus one or two F-22’s, etc. This whole idea of cost doesn’t exist in a vacuum, it has to be looked at for the entire film’s overhead. If they had used the original models for all of these cars, that’s going to add up to more than a couple million dollars (Lamborghini’s, Saab’s, F-22’s, etc.). Movie studios, even prior to this economic swoon, tend to be more frugal. They don’t want to just throw money away; that was part of the reason the studio was upset when Griffin wrecked the car. It wasn’t that the studio could afford it, it was they didn’t want to pay (and yes, THAT particular person shouldn’t have been driving THAT particular car). If the car itself wasn’t so expensive, then it wouldn’t even have made the news.

Oh Vengeful NERD you are not only becoming more and more predictable but delusional as well.. I too have gone through all the new announcements… and all I will say is – maybe you should look into it a bit more before making a statement that I started ripping into you in a new announcement that you hadn’t posted yet.. Because unless my eye sight is gone, the new announcements either had you posting before me or neither one of us posted at all.. Either that or there is some mythical new announcement that I don’t know about.. And if by some chance that there is a new announcement in which I did post first and ( heaven forbid ) started ripping into you, that was my intention to make you notice it.. I don’t hide nor avoid..

That list you posted on another topic on this site, I’m pretty sure I did reply to that one and if my memory serves me correctly you replied to that one also.. But I don’t take your posts NOR replies seriously, because like I have been saying your a fake and some random who just posts and replies for the sake of it.. Even if I do go through all my posts and point out every last one of my points that you have avoided, that won’t shut you up.. because all you’ll do is reply for the sake of replying anyway.. Who said anything about changing the subject..?? And who would do such a thing – I’m not gonna mention Vengeful NERD ( Oops! I just did ) That’s your assumption, having said that all I’m doing is pointing out the obvious..

On the topic of ravage and my comment on it being a dinosaur and whether or not I’ve watched the same teaser/trailor that you along with everyone else has seen.. I can honestly tell you that I didn’t take much notice of the trailor NOR the content within it, and till that point the pics that I saw of ravage weren’t full body and the views of ravage in those pics led me to believe that it was some sort of dinosaur ( or something along those lines ) However, I just recently seen concept art of ravage in all it’s glory and I must say ( and I can’t believe I’m saying this ) ravage actually looks pretty damn cool.. But the whole Alt mode just didn’t do much for me, it looks wrong… Bay should have left ravage purely as a robotic jaguar..

Now on the topic of Thundercats and the whole ‘That’s what you’re saying has happened with TF, and I completely disagree. – Vengeful NERD’.. Lets backtrack a bit, Bonecrusher is a contructicon – in TF is reclaims the name Bonecrusher ( except that his Vehicle mode is different from his original mode – a bulldozer ) he then gets killed off in the movie at the hands of Optimus Prime, never to be heard off again… Devastator in G1 was made of 6 construction vehicles, in TF devastator was a tank ( but can’t recall if he was killed off – as a result of bad camera angles and the whole blurred affect )

So let me get this straight, so what you are saying is that since Bonecrusher was killed off, devastator debuted in TF as a tank it’s OK for Michael Bay to substitute the names of Boncrusher and a few other contructicons in the hope of righting his wrongs and bringing back devastator the way he was meant to be ( formed by 6 contructicons ) – even though he looks nothing like the devastator we all knew and loved in our youth.. I mean seriously how can Bay bring back devastator and use his name after he was a completely different transformer in the TF..?? How can Bay kill off Bonecrusher and while filming TF 2 he realised ’shit we need him for Devastator… didn’t we..??’ so in order to right his wrongs yet again he made up two new names ( Demolishor and Hightower ) in the hope that no-one will notice.. And you Vengeful NERD go on to say ‘does the whole premise of the story change’ because names have been changed or altered… HELLO – Hightower and Demolishor, (unless Hightower was Devastator’s brain cell and Demolishor was Devastator’s Spine) where were they hiding during G1..??

You also mentioned that TF was all about trucks and lots and lots and lots of cars – DAMN that some observational skills you got there Vengeful NERD… Yes, TF was all about cars and trucks, but wouldn’t it make sense to have lots and lots of GMC cars and the few ( alas a Lambo as Sideswipe or a Porsche as Jazz etc… ) leave as is, thus limiting the costs..?? That is what I mean, comments such as those and the ones in your other posts is the reason why I can’t take you seriously as a fan or otherwise.. Because those comments aren’t coming from a real fan, they are comments coming from some random.. I mean really, the whole ‘I know the times, dates, places’ of my posts, that you can relay to me each and every one of MY posts to the last full stop, how you can relay to me each and every one of the points that you have addressed ( including re-buttals etc… ) just goes to show to what great lengths one has to go to in order to prove that they know things..?? And since we are on that subject, the moment I have some time – I will be more then happy to oblige to your challenge in pointing out the ‘avoided’ points you clearly missed or scared to answer.. I will take great pride in doing so and what an EPIC WIN that’ll be..

For starters, I realize that you did in fact respond to my list from about a month ago, just below that post. Sometimes I forget which sites I posted what on, and I seem to have mistaken that particular discussion with someone else. For that, I apologize.
So in your opinion, misusing the names of two transformers (Bonecrusher and Devastator) is the equivalent of changing Panthro into a Leopard? How exactly? In TF, Bay is clearly guilty of mislabeling the robots. However, let’s hypothetically say that he hadn’t, and instead gave the tank his intended name – Brawl – and ended up changing Bonecrusher’s name (I believe he’s a Buffalo-something, military vehicle) into Wreckage, who incidentally was one of the toys from the first movie line. Here you have two (essentially) new characters, and the names of the Constructicons are untouched. Sadly, this didn’t happen, but what can Bay do to remedy this while still using the most important name (Devastator) to indicate the combined form? Well, one thing he could do is acknowledge publicly (he preferred the name ‘Devastor,’ and his writers acknowledged the mistake of using it instead of Brawl) that the name-swapping was a mistake, and just re-use the name Devastator; it was only flashed on-screen in TF1 for about 5 seconds, so there’s at least a small possibility that nobody will really mind that much. However, what he’s done with Bonecrusher is taken a similar robotic form (he’s still a crane, just not that particular model) and given him a different name, as you stated. If he’s already admitted his mistake, all he can do is fix it without making it worse. By introducing a slightly different character, he still can use Devastator, he still gets the crane; so why can’t we move on from this? He’s not hiding anything, so what good can come from hammering on it? I’d rather he try to fix it in a way that still allows Devastator into the next film than leaving it alone and keeping him out. Bay didn’t “think anyone would notice,” nor did he completely change the storyline – we still have the crane, we still have Devastator. I get it, you’re arguing based on the desire for a ‘pure G-1 translation’ and on aesthetics; but since neither one gets in the way of the story, what’s the problem (rhetorical question, I know what you’re problem is)?
Finally, I have collected approximately 2 years worth of postings from you, w00kie, all of which contain either opinions or arguments, with either me or another poster. The second half of them is directed primarily at me, and the first half at various other posters. The posts directed at me are mostly rehashed; TF’s designs, “lack of plot,” etc., which you and I have argued over for almost a full year. So by all means, find something that I’ve ignored.

2007-06-01 08:14:27
WTF….!! Was michael bay on drugs when he made this movie or what?? When did bumblebee become a mustang?? If i remember correctly from the original cartoon, he was a VW.. So when did the morph happen?? If michael bay couldn’t get the rights from VW, then he should have left him out of the movie not change him just to suite him and make money for the corporate doushbags who funded this pathetic live action movie.. What the hell happened to optimus prime, when did hot wheels get in on the act and develop him into something that only target and kmart would sell?? Optimus prime never had flames on the front.. He was just a simple truck, when did xzibit and west coast customs come in and pimped him up?? And whats with megatron?? Who ripped off the face of guyver and put him on megatrons?? The makers of guyver will be pissed..!! What, will a little kid start screaming guyver, guyver, guyver and turn himself in megatron or something..?? I can see a lawsuite coming on..
Jeez, i wish micahel bay asked the transformers fans on how to make this movie rather then doing it himself.. I can just imagine what grimlock would look like, if he makes an appearance, if indeed in the next two sequels?? What would he be a godzilla rip off?? Or maybe he’ll look like something more like gamera.. Afterall, michael bay changed every other god damn transformer from their original states.. What about hound, he was a military jeep, what will he be in the movie, a range rover or maybe a toyota landcruiser?? What about mirage, he was a F1 racer, what will he be in the movie, a dodge viper?? What about perceptor, he was a microscope, what would he look like in the movie, the hubble telescope or something?? This is a pointless movie cashing in on the transformers brand name.. Hollywood obvioulsy have run out of ideas, just like peter jackson re-doing king kong?? I mean for f**k sake, how many times can king kong be made, don’t people know that he died in king kong lives..

2007-06-01 11:25:39
Im just pissed off at the fact that he changed all the characters to something totally different.. Im not Bay bashing, it’s just why change them..?? Why?? Fair enough, he wanted it to look like a movie not a cartoon, but to change them?? I ask the question again.. Why?? They are my only gripes, nothing more.. And i have seen the trailers, and im pretty disappointed.. I mean im not old fashioned, but i grew up with the transformers, i know how they look like etc.. So i like them the way they were back in G1, not the way Michael Bay depicts them in this movie.. If he left them in the original G1 forms, and added CGI to make them more beleivable then this movie would be awesome.. To me this movie isn’t transformers, i’d rather watch the animated series of gobots or mighty machine men..

2007-06-01 21:19:46
Yeah, true optimus is still a truck, but he’s not the 1982 class kenworth, is he?? Yeah the paint job looks good, but loose the flames.. I mean if they seriously wanted optimus to look fully sick, they should have put him in movies like tokyo drift, where he wouldn’t feel out of place.. Since after all, all the cars where pimped up etc..
Im not having a go at you, but if you were a real transformers fan, you’d be just as annoyed as I, about them being changed to something that clearly looks nothing like G1.. And as for mighty machine men, they are gay, i mean who’d watch a transformers rip off with a gay scooter and a batmobile rip off who transforms into a butch robotic female with a throat infection anyway??

2007-07-07 22:09:32
I’m taking back everything positive ive said about michael bay and steven speilberg.. He is nothing more then ‘paper’ fan and a ‘paper’ director.. He has never seen an episode of the transformers otherwise he would not have got it so f**king wrong..!! I mean were are the rest of the transformers?? Wheeljack, Mirage, hound, Thundercracker, Soundwave etc…?? Michael Bay had all this technology at his disposal and all he could come with is 13 transformers..?? 13 god damn transformers, for me watching this movie was torture.. It was insulting having to watch 2hrs and 20mins of crap.. It’s worse then the water droplets torture method.. This movie is the Epitome of bullsh!t, and brought new meaning to the word crap.. Because Bay is nothing but a fraud.. He’s more fake then a breast implant..
Michael Bay has absolutely no finesse nor creativity and can’t direct to save himself.. He’s so one dimensional, that he makes the transformers cartoon (G1) look realistic.. His movies show his inability to direct, look at pearl harbour…. everyone knows what happened that day, yet what Michael Bay portrayed was completely the opposite.. I went to the cinema ih the hope to see a war flick with big explosions and dogfights, instead all i see for 2hrs and 45mins was Josh Hartnett going after his god damn love interest.. I didn’t pay 13 bucks to see that.. The Island was just a mistake, it had no plot, the script from what i saw wasn’t finished and sounded like it was still in it’s early stages waiting to be read over and no were near finished.. If it weren’t for Scarlette Johannson and Ewan McGregor, it would have been yet another B-grade movie directed by an inferior and inexperienced director.. Im sorry Michael Bay, but this needs to be said, you suck.. I will say this though, two thumbs up for your ability to get awesome actors to play the roles, because without them, your movies wouldn’t be much to look at.. We all know that you like big explosions and lots of them, but as a “supposed” director, you should know that big explosions don’t make a movie, good directing does.. Look at Bad Boys 1 & 2, all they were, were nothing but big explosions, driving exotic cars and lots of running.. No story, no plot, no originality.. Will Smith and Martin Lawrence made that movie what it is today, their comedy antics were awesome, that’s what kept in the cinemas till the end credits.. Now, i have read empire magazine, saw all the interviews on ET and other TV shows, where Michael Bay says that he’s thick skinned (regarding all the death threats), but Michael…… Why do you live a lie..?? Why swim in “denial”..?? Wouldn’t it be easier to just admit that you suck as a movie director, and should leave movie directing / producing to the professionals who actually have “credibility”..?? Michael…… Your nothing more then a “paper” fan, who just jumped on the TF bandwagon to cash in on the TF brand name..
Now lets get down to business with regards to this movie.. The only good thing coming from this movie is that babe megan fox.. Rumble?? That’s if that was indeed rumble that was hacking the planet from air force one..?? When was rumble a radio?? He looked like number 5 on crack.. That thing in the desert, was that meant to be one of the insecticons?? Because that looked nothing like an insecticon, it looked more like something my little brother built from his meccano set he got for christmas.. Devestator (the tank), wasn’t he made up of 6 contructacons?? So where were they?? Did they disintigrate when their meteor hit the earth or what?? Or did they get left behind on cybertron to get devoured by unicron??
And the transformers themselves, despite their size, could bay have made them anymore lighter?? I thought they were meant to be heavier?? Could Bay make the Autobots anymore weaker..?? For something that size and for something that had that much alien metals etc…. they fell down so easily as with the battle between megatron and optimus prime towards the end of the movie.. One punch and Opimus is in agony..?? I think not.. And how unrealistic is this, the humans took down a decepticon with 3 rockets to his ass..?? In the real world, if such robots actually did exist somewhere in our vast universe, do you honestly believe 3 rockets would take down something that size.. Jeezus, look at godzilla, he’s a god damn puppet, a person in a costume, look how much fire power they used, and it still walked, yet 3 rockets up a decepticons ass, and he explodes..?? If it were that easy, why do we need the Autobots to protect us..?? Another grip i have with bays “interpretation” of the transformers, when did bumblebee become the center of attention..?? Why does he steal all the limelight from Optimus..?? I thought Optimus was the leader..?? And what is up with the “my bad” remark..?? If that’s Primes attempt at humour, then he sadly failed.. I remember him as a serious kinda character who believed in whats right not one who developed a sense of humour..
The trasnformers faces…?? One of the soldiers or generals at the start of the movie summned it up quite well, they look japanese, and i agree with that comment.. Because when did transformer faces resemble something from the manga ‘guyver’ or ‘gundam’..?? Bay used all this CG technology at his disposal and the best he could do is rip off japanese manga, because he had no clue on what a real transformer looked like.. And what the hell is up with the lips, jeezus, bay just made the transformers gay.. I mean i liked the whole facial movements, but lips?? As a parting note, there are rumours that soundwave will be in the next TF movie, but what will he be..?? An Ipod perhaps, it certainly looks that way….. because he can’t be a boom box can he..?? Rumble took that honor, and soundwave can’t exactly press a button and 4 cassettes pop out, because rumble and frenzy weren’t cassettes, so the only logical thing to do is change soundwave to something totally different.. And Michael Bay will have no hesitation in doing that, because he’s become well versed in f**king up peoples childhoods etc..
In terms of value for money.. 2/10
In terms of eye candy.. 10/10 (refering to megan fox… what a babe) In terms of keeping it real and true to TF – G1.. 0/10
In terms of action.. 7/10 (and im being awfully generous here)
Overall it just sucked..!!

2007-07-18 03:34:15
He not only messed up the transformers themselves but he also screwed up some of the names.. Like barracade for example, was he the replacement for prawl from G1..?? Devestator, was the whole tank thing a replacement for Devestator that was formed by the constructucons..?? At least with bumblebee he got one thing right, he was yellow to an extent, with the inclusion of the those god damn black racing stripes… Whats the deal with those..?? At least to keep some originality with bumblebee, why couldn’t Michael Bay get Dan Gilvezan to do the voice for Bumblebee..?? Why not get Frank Welker to reprise his role as the voice for megatron regardless of how demented and totally f**ked up he looked.. For $147 million dollars, he could have bought some of that original G1 feel to the already messed up movie..
And then there is the whole “mass shifting” debate on every forum including this one, where people try to say that “mass shifting” (alas Megatron turning into a gun from a robot his size) was stupid and whatnot, but if thats the case, then what would you call frenzies “mass shifting” sequence where he turned into a cell phone..?? Having said that though, the way they transformed in the mnvie, wasn’t really transformation as such, it’s more “morphing” then anything else..
Michael Bay is just a talentless hack who’s greatest achievement is ripping off ideas from other movies.. Alas, Bumblebee beaming the autobot symbol into the night sky, wasn’t that from another movie back in the early 90’s called Batman..?? And what about Sector 7, the way they behaved with such cheesy lines like;
Defense Secretary…. “How come i’ve never heard of you…”
Sector 7 agent…. “And you never will” (or something along those lines)
Wasn’t that M.I.B…??

2007-07-21 06:59:29
“Just so you know, that dude has loved Transformers for many years and has a huge G1 collection.”
You sure about that..?? He’s just a “paper” fan like yourself who has never seen a transformers episode in his pathetic life.. He has no clues on what he is talking about, otherwise he would have posted something that actually made sense.. It’s a sad day for the “true” fans.. Here’s a bit of advice, step outside the square you live in, dude.. At least that way, you will understand the bigger picture and understand what all the fuss and bitching is about.. Because what i have seen and read in this forum are “paper” fans who have jumped on the TF band wagon simply because Michael Bay directed it, people like darthchop seem to argue my points about “mass shifting” and that boxy characters (alas G1) would be “unrealistic” and limited in movement.. Yet, in the movie the tranformers seem to “morph” and “mass shift” like its going out of fashion.. Good example of “mass shifting” is when frenzy transformed into the shitty little black nokia phone.. Once again i don’t wanna point the irony here, nor do i wanna tell people like darthchop “i told you so”….. but i told you so.. Because the debate still lingers on the basis that mass shifting was unrealistic (alas megarton turning into a little gun), but if you can call that “unrealistic” then what would you call frenzy turning into a little nokia phone and rumble turning into a small boom box..?? realisitic..??

2007-07-23 01:33:33
I don’t consider myself the only fan, Shawn.. I’ve been to alot of sites that have these noobs who just jumped on the bad wagon (so to speak) on the basis that a live action version is coming out.. And to the people that have already seen it, think that it’s awesome.. And speaking of insults, I’ve never “directly” or “indirectly” insulted anyone.. Have i ever called you a ‘fuckhead’ / ‘dickhead’ / a ‘TOOL’ etc… I can’t recall calling you any of those, nor have i called anyone else on this forum those names…. have i..?? I respect your opinion and others, despite not agreeing with some, especially on the topic of Beast wars, energon, cybertron etc… as i think that they were just pointless spin-offs.. I just get really frustrated that there are people who have seen this movie and a few episodes of the various spin-offs and G1 and they think they know everything.. Look at Michael Bay… He said himself that he was never a fan of TF, and that’s clearly obvious from his “interpretation”..
He clearly messed it up big, i mean megatron was never a spaceship G1 nor was he a ship of any kind in any of the spin-offs from memory other then Machine Wars where he was an F-22.. If Michael Bay based this live action on spin-offs where “certain” transformers got a new look etc… then the witwicky name should not have been part of the plot to begin with, because they are only in G1 and the animated movie nothing else.. That’s what i mean when i say that i get frustrated with some members who were never real fans to begin with, yet think that they know everything there is to know about transformers..
Anyway if i have somehow insulted anyone personally, i do apologize, but that was never my intention.. I’m just very passionate about G1 and i hate the way they have been meesed up and “interpreted” over the years following G1 and the animated movie..

2007-07-01 06:06:12
Before i go into details about everything that was wrong with the movie, i just wanna say to you oBor… I feel your pain.. It’s a pity i live in australia, otherwise i’d kill michael bay myself..
I’m taking back everything positive that ive said about michael bay and steven speilberg.. They are nothing more then ‘paper’ fans and indeed ‘paper’ producers/directors.. They have never seen an episode of the transformers otherwise they would not have got it so f**king wrong..!! I mean were are the rest of the transformers?? Wheeljack, mirage, hound, thundercracker, soundwave etc…?? With the millions of dollars spent on this movie the best they could do is 10 transformers?? 10 god damn transformers, for someone like me that had to endure 2hrs and 20mins of torture, they could have at least put in more transformers to get my monies worth, regardless of how f**ked up they would have looked.. What a load of sh!t this movie was.. All of bays movies are nothing but flops..!! The reason why his movies broke box office records is not because of his directing ability nor script, but because of the big name actors that played the roles.. Because Bay is nothing but a fraud.. He’s more fake then a breast implant.. For example….
Bad boys 1 & 2…: If it weren’t for will smith, martin lawrence and tia leone, that movie would have sucked.. Yeah, it had big explosions, but you gotta understand that big explosions don’t make up a movie.. Both movies were identical, same story, same everything, except for more explosions
Armageddon….: If it weren’t for bruce willis, billy bob thorton, liv tyler, owen wilson, ben affleck… this movie would have been so unoriginal and unrealistic that id rather see a meteor hit earth.. Oh, lets just take an advanced spaceship and land on a meteor headed for earth..?? Lets just take a ‘moon patrol’ vehicle rip off and take it for a joy ride.. What a load of sh!t..
The island….: This is just an excusable lack of judgement on bays behalf, because i think that the drugs were wearing off and he couldn’t think straight.. This movie sucked full stop, despite scarlette johannsen and ewan mcgregor trying so desperatly to make this movie look good.. And what’s with those white tops at the end of the movie, they looked nothing then tick tacks trying to find that empty container where they came from..
Now lets get down to business with regards to this movie.. The only good thing coming from this movie is that babe megan fox.. Rumble?? That’s if that was indeed rumble that was hacking the mainframe on air force one, you are sh!ting me!! When was rumble a radio?? He looked like number 5 (short circuit fame)on crack, because even when he transformed to his robot form, he had no parts on him that looked like a boom box.. Frenzy, was a cassette as far as i know, so why is he part of a god damn car..?? And what the f**k is an ‘all spark’..?? The energon cube is meant to be a light pinkish coloured cube full of energy, not something resembling a god damn rubics cube.. Also that thing in the desert, was that meant to be one of the insecticons (to be more precise… scorpnok)..?? Because that looked nothing like an insecticon, it looked more like something my little brother built from his meccano set he got for christmas.. Devestator (the tank), correct me if im wrong. but wasn’t he made up of 6 contructacons?? So where are they?? Did they disintigrate when their meteor hit the earth or what?? Or did they get left behind on cybertron to get devoured by unicron??
There are talks about soundwave making an appearance in future sequels.. But bays adaptation of frenzy and rumble just f**ked that idea up.. Bay can’t just back paddle and change frenzy and rumble to resemble casettes, because that would bring me to the point, why couldn’t Bay make rumble and frenzy casettes to begin with..?? And the transformers themselves, despite their size, could bay have made them anymore lighter?? I thought they were meant to be heavier?? Not to mention, how f**king weak are they.. I would love to see a gobot or a mighty machine man taking them on, they’d have a field day with the transformers.. For something that size and for something that had that much metal, titanium and other alien material, they fell down so easily as with the battle between megatron and optimus prime towards the end of the movie.. That was a big disappointment, because obviously Bay never went to school, otherwise he would have known something about science and physics etc…!
The transformers faces…?? One of the soldiers or generals at the start of the movie summned it up quite well, they look japanese, and i agree with that comment.. Because when did transformer faces resemble something from the manga ‘guyver’ or ‘gundam’..?? Bay used all this CG technology at his disposal and the best he could do is rip off japanese manga, because he had no clue on what a real transformer looked like.. And what the hell is up with the lips, jeezus, bay just made the transformers gay.. I mean i liked the whole facial movements, but lips?? Bay can say all he wants to the media, CNN, NBC, entertainment tonight etc… that he has think skin (regarding all the death threats he got), but the bottom line is this, he is nothing more then a ‘paper’ fan who has no clues about the transformers universe and indeed directing.. He is a fraud, and shouldn’t be allowed to direct.. I mean intergalactic robots who are superior to anything on earth, had ebay and internet as their only means of obtaining information and intelligence.. Im gonna watch the movie a second time, just so i can laugh at it again..
In terms of value for money.. 2/10
In terms of eye candy.. 10/10 (refering to megan fox… what a babe)
In terms of action.. 5/10 (and im being awfully generous here)
Overall it just sucked..!!

2007-07-05 23:11:33
Yo dave, have you even bothered to read and embrace what the whole argument is all about, hmmmmmmm..?? You, like evry other so-called “true” fans are nothing more then ‘paper’ fans..
“THEY MADE IT MORE SOPHISTICATED AND REALISTIC, AND IT WAS REALISTIC..” Was it really..?? You wanna eleborate on that Dave..?? Im dying to know what you meant by them being ‘realistic’..?? Let’s start of with Optimus Prime shall we, he was a 82′ Kenworth cab over in the cartoon with a trailor, so why is he a big rig with flames… and where is his trailor..?? Jazz, if memory serves me correctly, he was a porsche (correct me if im wrong here, Dave) but now he’s a Pontiac..?? What happened….?? Did pontiac buy out porsche or something, which is why jazz is a silver pontiac rather then a white porsche..?? Frenzy, last time i checked (and i have the 80’s toy in front of me) he’s a black cassette, so why was he part of barracade’s bumper..?? Rumble, last time i checked (and once again i have the 80’s toy in front of me) he too was a cassette, so why is he trying to imitate soundwave and become a boom box who hacks computer systems..?? Wasn’t that soundwaves job in G1..?? Devestator, a tank hmmm..?? Was he or was he not made up of 6 constructorcons in G1..?? Bumblebee… Since Bay couldn’t get the rights to VW Beetle, why not just change one of the main characters from G1 into something he’s not.. Fair enough he’s a weakling and all, but he’s not a yellow beetle is he..?? A camaro, then a mustang with black racing stripes..?? Are you kidding me..?? Oh, and what about megatron (and yes i’ve heard all the arguments and debates on mass shifting etc..) but still regardless of peoples opinions on the “mass shifting” topic, megatron was never a god damn spaceship.. So why did they f**k him up so badly.. You still think that this version of the transformers is realistic..?? With all this CG techology, they could have stayed with the current ‘exo-skeleton’ designes, but at least make them transform to what they are actually meant to be not what they aren’t.. Stay of the drugs, dude..!
“AND ALL THIS TALK ABOUT KILLING THE DIRECTOR, SHUT THE HELL UP! SERIOUSLY. THAT’S NOT FUNNY OR APPROPRIATE..”
To me it was, and it’s still funny, cuz im still laughing.. Obviously there are people who don’t like their childhoods f**ked up, and im one of them..
“IT’S NOT LIKE SOMEONE WENT BACK IN TIME AND CHANGED THE PAST SO THAT THE CARTOON DIFFERENT..”
Have you seen the movie..?? Hasbro has the rights to the new line of tranaformers toys, they can’t even make them right.. Plastic, hmmmm..?? Last time i checked, the 80’s toys were made of metal… and didn’t break.. Takara don’t have the rights for the transformers brand, because of Michael Bays “interpretation” of the transformers, Hasbro just jumped on the band wagon and reep in the rewards, because afterall, it’s easy money.. Im sure everyone has heard of the transformers at one point in their lives, which is why Hasbro is cashing in, big time.. And changing the past to make the cartoon different, give it time…… If they changed the transformers to suite Michael Bay, Speilberg, Hasbro etc… Some big name Media company, like CNN, NBC, CBS etc… will buy the rights to the original G1 cartoon and f**k that up.. So it’s just a matter of time, so Dave keeps eye’s peeled to the TV screen.. Because down the track, the statements you made in your rant of a post will backfire..

2007-07-10 03:00:52
“Listen, I didn’t grow up with the toy, I didn’t grow up with the cartoon, so I’m trying to do my own thing with it..”
That’s a little snippet of an interview Michael Bay which had been written in a newspaper in Australia.. Care to argue my points now, dude..?? I’ve been saying this all along that Michael bay f**ked it up.. Now, judging by your post Dave, I’m starting to wonder whether or not your in fact a child, because your comebacks and pointless dribble are pretty childish.. I’m bitching about this because I’m a “TRUE” fan not some try hard “paper” fan such as yourself Dave.. Obviously, the truth hurt otherwise your post would not have been so “colourful”.. I hate how hollywood changes things (alas War of the Worlds etc…) to suit them and transformers is no exception.. I’m aware of all the “other” version of the transformers such as Energon, Cybertron, Beast Wars, 2010 etc… I’m also aware that they have changed states and transformations etc… but those series just like this years “interpretation” of the transformers is nothing more then a marketing ploy to cash in on a brand name..
“Ever since re-creating the attack on Pearl Harbour with the aid of CGI, Bay has become a wizard at harnessing digital technology for action..”
Harnessing what attack..?? What, that pitiful 20minute action sequence..?? What about the rest of the 2hrs and 30mins of torture people had to endure, seeing Josh Harnett going after his love interest or fighting with his close friend because of the nurse.. That’s not harnessing CGI, is it..??
All I’m gonna say is that Michael Bay is nothing more then a Mark Wahlberg of the movie making industry, like Mark Wahlberg who can’t act and sing if live depended on it, Michael Bay can’t direct a movie if life depended on it.. He is nothing more then a “paper” fan, a sham if you will.. All he is, is a shadow of Jerry Bruckheimer, and trying so desperately to separate himself from just being know as Jerry’s bitch, but he can’t, because he’s not good enough.. To put it into more “colourful” terms, he sucks..
The only reason why the transformers will do well in the box office is because of the “transformers” name, nothing more… “My bad” (excuse my Optimus Prime attempt at humor) i forgot Megan Fox, she’s the other reason why the movie will do well at the box office..!!

2007-07-12 04:10:09
Wheeljack, Cliffjumper would be great to see, same with mirage, hound, blaster, inferno, metroplex.. I would love to see omega supreme in all it’s glory…. But the way Michael Bay “interpreted” the first movie, it’ll ber nothing but disappointment across the board.. Like yourself Brandon, i too am not looking forward to it even though it’s coming out in 2009, but i can’t make myself not watch it either, after all it’s the transformers regardless of how shit it’ll be..
With the devestator debate, that wasn’t Brawl.. Brawl was part of the combaticons who made up bruticus.. Brawl was a tank and made up one of the arms.. So how could Michael Bay get it so wrong..?? Devastator was made up of 6 contructacons (or was it 5)

2007-07-11 04:23:57
I’m not being immature, i’m simply going down a peg or two to Dave’s level of “maturity” (if you want to call it that) and show him how immature he really is.. What i don’t get is this, every Transformers forum i go to i get the same level of intelligent rants (alas replying to my posts)
They can’t seem to argue my points so they resort to some schoolyard “vocabulary” that one uses when they can’t get on the monkey bars and they start throwing a tantrum.. That’s what I’m constantly getting on these forums, and Dave is no exception..
Your post makes perfect sense Rewind, but I’ve been saying and arguing those exact same points from the moment i went on this forum and started posting.. Yet, till this day, I’m getting no intelligent replies, rather I’m getting these childish rants that seem to look like posts, but with nothing in them..

2007-07-16 02:41:49
Where do i begin… Michael Bay had $147 million dollar budget at his disposal to make the transformers, so where did the money go..?? I’m pretty sure that it didn’t go to the CGI effects, otherwise the transformers would have in fact been a half descent movie with characters that we the “TRUE” TF fans know and love.. I know that it has been well argued and debated that Michael Bay and his movie sucks in a big way… If certain people in our society, otherwise known as the “paper” fans, don’t know what all the fuss and bitching is about, watch the movie..!!
Having said that and having seen the movie for a second time as part of a work function… Seriously, where did the $147 million dollars go..?? Sector 7..?? Hmm.?? That looks, smells, sounds and feels strangely familiar to that of M.I.B (with Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones), I wonder if Barry Sonnenfeld (the director of MIB) has seen the movie and wonder what he has to say about it..?? You would think that $147 million dollars would bring a more “original” concept to the theaters / cinemas, rather the nyet another hollywood rip-off.. Another issue i have with this movie, is the Gotham City batman “beaming signal into the sky” rip-off, where bubmlebee beams the autobot symbol into the night sky.. If i wanted to watch batman again, I’d go to blockbuster video and hire it for $2 for a week, rather then spending $15 to watch it again disguised as a different movie.. I wonder what Tim Burton (batman’s director) has to say about it..??
You’d think that $147 million dollars would disguise all these ripp-offs better..?? But “my bad”….. what was i thinking, you can’t disguise something that has already been done before, can you..?? Michael Bay (alas the “mark Walhberg” of the movie making industry) you have alot to learn about movie making.. Big explosions doesn’t quit cut it, they don’t make a movie, good acting, good directing, original ideas and a good script makes a movie successful, however, those traits don’t exist in any of your movies other then having good actors that try in vein to make your movies a success.. Your nothing more then Jerry Bruckheimers bitch who’s trying to escape from his shadow, yet the best thing you can come up with is ripping off ideas previously utilized successfully in other movies and passing it off as your own..
Shame on you Michael Bay for deceiving us, the “TRUE” transformers fans / paying public

2007-07-21 06:44:03
This movie is nothing more then a 2hr and 20min advertisement campaign for moutain dew (when the mountain dew vending machine transformed towards the very end of the movie), nokia (when frenzy morphed or mass shifted into a shitty little nokia phone) and GMC.. Michael Bay had a deal with GMC, where i believe that GMC will give Bay GMC cars he can use in his movie in exchange for “promoting” and “marketing” GMC to the world.. So if he got the cars for near on nothing, where did the rest of the $147million dollars go..?? I wonder..??
And what about the slap on the face scenario at the start of the movie where Sam was looking for his first car and the “new” bumblebee slammed his door on his old self (the VW that just so happened to be next to his new self), I don’t even want to point out the irony here.. Michael Bay said in various media releases etc…. that he couldn’t get the rights from VW to make bumblebee a yellow heribe, yet in the movie, heavens behold there he is herbie in all its glory.. So Michael Bay is not only an inferior director he’s also an inferior lier, because he just shot himself in the foot by making comments like that.. You need not be einstein to figure out that if you can’t get rights for certain products or brand names, you are not meant to put them in movies etc… without prior written or verbel consent from their respective companies… so why is herbie in the movie..??
The other thing i’d like to know is this, why does Optimus Prime have two different transformations in the movie..?? Look closely and you’ll understand what i mean..??

2007-07-22 06:48:10
“I had left the theater with this uneasy feeling that “TRANSFORMERS“ seemed a little beneath for someone of Bay’s talent or reputation.”
I don’t want to repeat myself as a result of previous posts, because if i do go into detail of what i think of Michael Bay (on top of what has already been said about him) I will be simply pointing out the obvious.. Now, Michael Bay has been saying in publications such as EMPIRE MAGAZINE and various Australian newspapers that he couldn’t get the rights for VW, yet, ironically what was next to the new Bumblebee..?? Yup, the old Bumblebee in all its glory.. What a “direct” slap in the face for fans and indeed Bumblebee himself.. So really, when you look at it that way Michael Bay wanted to fuck up transformers from the outset, and that the whole “I couldn’t get the rights from VW” bullshit, was just that bullshit.. It was nothing more then a smokescreen for what was to come.. Same goes for Jazz… I don’t believe Michael Bay had any disagreements with Porsche, so why did Jazz become a Pontiac, and on top of that, he was much smaller then Bumblebee.. But in the G1 cartoon, it was the opposite where Jazz was taller then Bumblebee.. Anyway (got of the topic for a moment there), in the movie however, what dealership did Sam and his Dad drive through on the way to buying his first car..?? Yup, a porsche dealership.. I don’t want to point out the irony here, but somehow i am compelled to do so..
Same thing goes for Starscream (an F-22..??), he was always an F-15 from memory.. That goes double for Megatron, he was always a gun, admittedly he had to “mass shift” into something that small, but everyone remembers him as the menacing gun that could tear autobots apart.. The only time that i know off that Megatron was anything other then a gun was in machine wars where he was a plane.. But if Michael Bay went down the whole Beast Wars / Armada / Energon / Cybertron universes..?? My question is simple… where do the Witwicky’s (Sam Witwicky and mikaihla were just made up names with an original G1 characters surname to make the transformers feel somewhat “unchanged”) fit into the Spin-offs, other then G1..?? Because i don’t recall Spike, Sparkplug, Daniel, Karly being in Beast Wars / Armada / Energon / Cybertron universe etc… If that is the case and Michael Bay was “trying” to merge all the universes together, then what was he thinking..?? So why wasn’t Jazz a cheeter..??
I am so looking forward with displeasure to the pre-equels and the countless sequels that Bay wants to do in order to cash in on the brand name.. I wonder how much Nokia paid him in royalties to have their products used in the movie..?? I wonder how much Mountain Dew paid him in royalties to have their fizzy drink vending machines used in the movie..?? We all know the deal Bay had with GMC, so i don’t want to go there..

2007-07-23 02:02:14
Since the movie was messed up form the outset, why not just take a page from ID4 and just plant a virus in megatron to take the decepticons down..?? I mean fair enough, in the final battle racthet and ironhide weakened blackout (from memory) but for soldiers to just shoot three rockets up his ass, and he went down (or was that bumblebee that weakened him…) either way conventional military weapons would not have taken something like that down, not with such ease anyway.. When the soldiers were in the desert, one of the soldiers (tyrese gibson from memory) said it himself that it (blackout) had some sort of invisible shield, then how is it possible for conventional military weapons to penetrate a forcefield.. If sidewinder missiles couldn’t penetrate the forcefield in “Independence day”, then how in gods name can rockets and machine guns do what sidewinders couldn’t in the movie mentioned..??
If it is so easy to take down a decepticon and indeed any transformers why couldn’t they just plug Megatron into a USB 2.0 port and upload a cookie virus or something..?? I know that it does sound stupid, and rightly so, but if a rocket can hurt a robot of that size, why not use other methods..?? Yes, i am aware that it’s a movie afterall, but at least make it believable..

2007-07-24 02:38:56
On the topic of viruses and hacking the planet etc… In the course of the movie (and i can’t recall who said it and which part of the movie… it may have been in the base when blackout was ripping it to shreads) where they had to cut connections to the mainframe as it was getting hacked, because the decepticons will get all their strategic and tactical plans etc… Huh..?? Now my question to you is this, Why in gods name would you have all your military tactical and strategic information on a computer let alone a mainframe to begin with..?? It just doesn’t make sense.. Doesn’t tactics and military strategic knowledge come with experience and extensive years in the military..?? I never knew you needed a computer or a super computer totell you how to invade a country or prepare for war against alien or organic lifeforms..??

2008-04-26 07:48:47
The look of the transformers was one of the plethora of reasons why i hated the movie.. The movie sucked because it was done badly, it was done by someone who has never seen an episode of the transformers in his life, that an the fact that Michael Bay and Speilberg should never have been behind the production / directing wheel to begin with, because they inferior and nothing more then one hit wonders.. I don’t want to point out all the mistakes of the movie, as it’ll take up all the memory and space on this site.. But the plethora of product placements would be one of the dead give aways..
However, I did for all it’s worth like the skeletel designs of the transformers, it’s a pity they messed up the rest.. They had (if memory serves me correctly) $173million dollars at their disposal to make the movie, so your gonna honestly tell me or write to me (whatever’s easier) that they couldn’t fit in that huge budget of theirs… making the transformers ‘transform’ into their original states..?? That’s the main issue i have with the movie, that and the fact that they chose hugo weaving instead of frank welker to be the voice of megatron, what a direct slap in the face that was..!

Well ok then nick, here is a perfect example of why the movie sucked and how they messed up the transformers.. If your such a big TF fan then you’d know that bonecrusher was a bulldozer in the cartoon series not something that resembles a garbage truck.. Secondly, bonecrusher was also one part of the constructicons that ironically joined to form ‘devestator’, which in the movie was a tank.. You sure you want me to keep on going…?? Feel free to stop me at any time Nick.
Yes it is a only a movie jomama, and yes they are not real and that the original G1 cartoon was not real either.. But if i was a movie director and used my imagination (something that Hollywood producers / directors should seriously look into), the transformers would have had their orignal transformation forms(alas Optimus as a cab-over, Jazz as a porsche, Ironhide as a Red Nissan Venetta, Bumblebee as a VW Beetle and Megatron as a pistol… and yes i’m aware of the ‘mass shifting’ debate which still rages on, on this site), however, i’d use the exo-skeletal designs that Bay used in this movie, because they were kinda cool and the organic feel to them was a nice touch.. And if it was for fun, then why not leave them the way they were in G1..??
I don’t understand how behind Michael Bay and co. could fuck up something so simple that could have worked so well in the modern era (one could just imagin how awesome the movie would have been, with todays technology, if it was done properly) I mean they had a perfectly good platform to work with, they had a perfectly good storyline to work with, the whole ‘good vs bad’ plot was there etc… all they had to do is put it all together and make a live action movie..

yak, yak, yak, yak, yak…..
Stuballs, all I will say is this, you are nothing more then some new-age fan who’s pretending to be someone their not… who’s only contention and basis for an arguement is that at every remake, every live action flick HAS to be changed to appeal to the majority of the public.. That simplistic analogy means that a) you have got no clue and b) the whole “well at least you should be happy that TF has finally been made into a live action flick” and “appealing to the majority of the public” mentality proves just how narrow minded you really are..
Yeah, I am a purist, and just like all the other purists on this planet like things to be kept in tact and the way they are, none of this changing bullshit because some inferior hack director hasn’t seen the transformers in his life and thought “what the hell” lets fuck it up.. The live action movie has nothing on the animated one back in 86′.. That movie was cool, this one wasn’t..!
As a parting note, What’s your favourite cartoon series Stuballs..?

On the topic of batman, I didn’t complain about batman’s suit going from the gay looking purple thing he was wearing in the TV series to all out black because a) i didn’t think much of batman to be honest as most of them sucked, with the exception of the two movies with Micheal Keaton and the Dark Knight and b) having batman wear a black suite made perfect sense.. I mean have you seen a purple bat flying around..?? And it would have defeated the purpose of calling him the ‘dark knight’… now wouldn’t it..?? Would you go to watch ‘the purple knight’..??
I wonder why they kept Superman unchanged in the movies and the lois and clark TV series after all these years..?? Or don’t tell me Stuballs, your narrow minded mentality thinks that Superman needs a make over as well… right?? Who’s the tool now..?? Your just a zombie who follows the crowd with the notion of not being left out or singled out.. Like I said I am a purist, but at least I’m not unoriginal..!

Ok then, if your such a fan of realism and logic (other then the fact that you’ll be waiting a while for that to ever happen), then whats the difference in having bumblebee being a VW bug rather then a camaro..?? I have always said in my posts that I liked what I saw in terms of the exo-skeletel designs, I have also said that why not just pimp up bumblebee and the other autobots (ratchet and ironhide, most notably)..
I’ve seen the new VW bugs all decked out and pimped up to the max, and they looked nothing short of awesome, so I don’t see any problem there (and I’m not talking about the original Bugs, because quite frankly they were and still are an eyesore, at least the new bugs look shit loads better).. Jazz could have been a porsche minus the ugly racing striped, what…. none of the new porsche’ fit the mould of jazz..?? As for ‘red’ being a nightmare to photograph, you’ll get no argument from me on that one, but what about having cherry red, blood red or some other darker red to compensate for that..?? Rather then adding extra ‘unnecessary’ colours to Optimus Prime for it to work..
Calling Speilberg a “one hit wonder” was a bit hasty of me (so you got me on that one) but i’m just sore at the fact that Transformers could have and should have been “more then meets the eye”(no pun intended) that and the fact that Speilberg could have and should have been more involved with it and overseen what was being done to it.. Honestly, Speilberg should have been in charge of making the movie NOT an inferior hack like Michael Bay, because we all know that along with James Camaeron and Ridley Scott (and there are other notable directors), Speilberg is right up there with the best of them in the Sci-Fi genre..
I think that the Frank Welker debate will ‘rage’ on for a while, if Peter Cullen got the call up to reprise the role of OP wouldn’t it make perfect sense to get Frank Welker to reprise the role of Megatron..?? Don’t get me wrong the aussie actor Hugo Weaving did a pretty decent job of being the voice over for megatron, but it’s just not megatron without Frank, much like OP not being OP without Peter..

I wanna see more lone scenes of Megan Fox… (then again who wouldn’t)
Now on with the topic, i think your idea jackster on having long scenes of cybertron wouldn’t be a bad idea.. I’m just hoping that they’ll get the atmosphere, the whole robotic feel, the artificial intelligence, the technology, something that a little kid would dream up, i would love for them to come up with something like that.. I would even go as far making it look more bladerunner-ish, but more chaotic..
What i reckon Michael Bay should do, is have a competition on which little kid from across the globe can come up with the best cybertron idea.. Because im sure there is a kid out there who has read all the “choose your own adventure” books, who is into sci-fi novels, who likes space and astronomy in general… i’ll guarantee that they’ll come up with an idea 1000x better then anything that Bay, Orci and co. can come up with.. Because you gotta admit, the first movie did kinda suck, the only eventful moment of the movie was Megan Fox and the end credits..

huh…??
I never refused to watch it, i knew it was gonna suck anyway with what i read and heard prior to the release… but it’s the transformers, it had to be done (watch the movie, that is…) and the fact that it cost me $15 bucks for admission, i wasn’t gonna walk out half way through the movie, even though it was tempting, but Megan Fox made me stay..
And prime busting his head open and eyeball popping out… that was bonecrusher, not barricade, that got his ass handed to him under the bridge..

Brawl wasn’t in the film… they changed the name to ‘devestator’ at the last minute.. But that was bullshit, because ‘devestator’ was made up of 6 constructacons, so why did they change devestator into an ambrams tank..?? That is what i don’t understand, that and the political bullshit surrounding the ’so-called’ breach of contract with porsche and volkswagon stating that Bay can’t use a beetle and a porsche, yet what do we see at the beginning of the film… a beetle at a car yard and a porsche dealership.. Talk about double standards..
But what’s done is done, all we can hope for is that the second movie is slightly better and less confusion and bullshit from an inferior and inept film director / producer..

Why would it kill the movie if for example the constructacons rolled up and turned into devestator..?? That’ll be kinda cool, if they were done properly.. Unfortunately they messed up the whole idea, because devestator was made a tank, so that defeats the purpose.. Now, you made some good points (regardless of the fact that they are recycled ones) on the relevance of the autobots coming to the rescue of humans and earth in general when a handful of soldiers can take down a decepticon with inferior weapons.. On the point of whoopin’ some ass, none of the autobots did any good in any of the battles, Optimus dropping megatron was sheer luck… because you gotta admit Optimus, much like jazz was megatrons bitch, except that optimus survived to fight another day..
I do agree with you that the effects were pretty cool, the editing as you said it was shotty and piss poor in some parts of the movie.. The look of the transformers were how shall i put it… ‘interesting’, it wasn’t spectacular nor innovative, it was new and up with the times ‘IF’ it came from a new generation transformer fans point of view, but if it were coming from the wider TF fan base would probably say otherwise.. As a parting note you mentioned “why would a super advanced space robot want to be an old f-15 instead of an F-22..??” My question to you is “why would an advanced super robot want to be an F-22 rather then an old F-15..??”

the boombox was frenzy (i think..) However, word is going around that soundwave will make his debute in the next film, but as an ipod.. However, don’t take my word for it, as it’s only rumour… but the rumours and pictures on the internet and youtube surrounding the look of optimus, jazz and co. from the first film were spot on, so soundwave being an ipod could be true.. If they bring in soundwave, surely they should bring in ‘BLASTER’ as well, just to even it out..??

I understand the ‘era’ debate, and you get no argument from me on that one, yes, back in the 80’s the beetle was a popular little car.. However, bumblebee was and will always be remembered as a beetle not a camaro, so why change everything all of a sudden..?? Paramount pictures have made more then enough money from their movies over the years to fund the ‘transformers’ movie with the $173 million they put aside, so why get financial assistants from GM..?? I mean fair enough paramount can cut a deal with GM to use their cars in the movie and others through other uses, but for example IRONHIDE was always a red nissan venetta, so why change him into a GM SUV..?? Same with Jazz, Rachet, and Optimus…..?? Starscream was a jet that resembled an SU-37 Russian fighter, and the f-22 Raptor is a perfect substitute, but what about the Mig 29-Fulcrum..?? That looked just as menacing as the Raptor..
You also mentioned in your post that in order for bumblebee to impress the human(SAM), he takes the form of a brand new state of the art model… What brand new state of the art model..?? I haven’t seen a new state of the art Beetle yet.. You also mentioned that if the movie kept with the original plot and concept from the cartoon, then the storyline would be seen as hard to believe.. The whole idea of cars, tanks, planes, boats, ships transforming into huge robots is hard to believe, so i don’t see the difference in keeping with the original concept and storyline..
But i do understand where your coming from with your argument Bitsurround..

I never started the debate on starscream and what variant of fighter plane he was (alas the SU-37), nor did anyone else for that matter, it’s simply a matter of opinion… something which don’t seem to comprehend nor understand for that matter since were on the subject.. Now, before i get into correcting you on a few points SomeGuy, whats the story with your “And judging from your writing and grammar, you probably weren’t around to know that.” comment..?? Is it that much of a problem, that you have to attack something as little and insignificant as grammer and writing..?? Do you realy care how people write on this forum, for all we know, you probably cant write to save yourself and don’t possess good grammer skills either, and had someone write your post for you..
Anyway, getting to the F-15 issue, yes, i am well aware of the fact that starscream was modelled around an F-15 fighter jet, and i’ll take a stab in the dark to assume that everyone else on this forum knows that also.. However Someguy, if you were literate enough to read past posts, you’d realise that the debate (to an extent) was about what todays fighter jet is more menacing… and the F-22 and the Mig-29 fulcrum where just names that were thrown in purely for the fact that they are menacing looking.. I’m guessing that even you would agree with these comments..??
And on the topic of Megatron and how he should have been a howitzer and so forth brings back the “mass shifting” debate.. Which has come and gone (debate wise that is) on this forum..

The harsh criticism given to the first movie was justified and well deserved.. Now, i am a huge fan of the old gen 1 cartoon… but i would love to have seen bumblebee as a ‘new’ VW bug, ironhide as a red nissen venentta, because that’s what fans know them as being (instead of this GMC bullshit)
And on the topic of ‘eyesores’… so your saying that a porsche is an eyesore..?? That a cab-over truck is an eyesore..?? Yet there are so many of them on the roads… The only thing i agree with you is the editing… it was kinda poxy, not very professional

Here’s an example of why the movie got such critism from the ‘die hard’ fans… The main problem with the film (other then the obvious) is that it doesn’t follow a single one of its plot threads through. The main one being, with the clue burned into the old glasses… it never pans out because both the cube and Megatron are already pretty safely stowed away at a government facility anyway.. So what was the point of that..??
I’m a purist, you got a problem with that..??

How could anyone think this movie was good… Any true Transformers fan would agree that this was a complete let down, to no surprise with Micheal Bay… Yeah the special effects were awesome, and the organic designs were pretty cool too, I’ll give it that… But the plot, the characters, the cliche’d BS littered throughout the entire movie were just that, BS…!! Micheal Bay, if you read this (or in the process of reading this), please stop making movies it’s embarrassing, or at least learn how to make a movie without all the same OVER-dramatized BS that is evident in every other movie you make.. The editing was so great in the movie that it was a complete blurr, I didn’t know whats what, or who’s who… Is that what you get for $150 million these days..??
The same characters, the same pan shots, the same love story that makes no sense… Apparently he only knows how to make one movie, that’s cliche’d, over dramatized, and has so much crap that has nothing to do with the central plot… People like you vengeful NERD who like his movies are the same idiots that probably watch “Fox News” and think its real news… We have been down this road before, but how come he made Optimus into such a pansy..?? Megatron kicked his butt all up and down those streets… Any real Transformers fan from the 80s would know that Optimus Prime was badass (even though he was holding back)… I’m not saying make the good guy too strong, but at least make it an even fight… And after all that fighting, all the explosions, and 2 1/2 of special effects… they kill Megatron by walking up to him and putting the cube in his chest… Are you shitting me..!!!!
At least have Optimus hold him down or something… The only thing that stopped him in his tracks were a couple of jets flying over the city..?? What do we need the Autobots for then..?? Why didn’t we just shoot them down with our jets to begin with..?? Well, the real answer to these questions lies with Micheal Bay… There’s enough holes in the plot that a Boeing 747 could fly through, I mean… I could sit in front of my LCD screen and point out at least 20 to 30 mistakes(plus the rest) he made with this movie… But instead, I would have tried to get someone like James Cameron, Ridley Scott, Jerry Brukheimer, or even Peter Jackson… At least they know how to make good sci-fi/action movies, but tastefully and more realistic………!
The one thing this movie did have is special effects. The transforming of these machines were (to an extent) nicely done… And Spielberg, your way too good of a director (even though you haven’t shown that as of late) to think Micheal Bay is good too. The next movie you produce, get a freakin’ director with some talent and creativity…!
If you want harsh criticism Vengeful NERD, there’s your anwser..!

The lord of the rings trilogy was a bad example when comparing it to transformers, however, im a huge fan of LOTR… and Peter Jackson done an awesome job, even though they could have been longer, but then again who in their right mind would site in a theatre and watch a 10hour movie..??
Now the red, green, and black racing stripes on Jazz in the cartoon did look poxy and where eyesores themselves… but what about the 911 carrera or the 911 GT series of porsches’, they couldn’t use one of those to model Jazz..?? How is a 911 carrera or a GT a ‘blast from the past’ (minus the racing stripes)..?? Fair enough the cost is the key factor, but its not like movie studios can’t efford it.. What about ratchet… paramount pictures couldn’t model ratchet around a new age ambulance..?? Im sure they could have found an amulance somewhere in the US, regardless of the fact that most of them are made by GMC.. Instead of modelling ratchet around something that resembles a Hummer.. And as for ironhide, what about a nissen Quest..?? Sure its no vennetta, but it’s a minivan, its a recent model, and ironhide was a red minivan in the cartoon, so what is the problem..?? Paramount pictures could have compromised somewhere along the lines of what makes and models are to be used in the movie, but stay with the manufacturers (ie: ironhide, a nissan… jazz, a porsche….), they could have just cut a deal with GMC, used their cars and influences somewhere else in the movie, yet stay with the original manufacturers that the cartoon characters were based on..
And as for Optimus, to an extent he was still the same character, afterall, he was still a truck… But i still don’t get how a cab-over is an ‘eyesore’ and a ‘blast from the past’..?? When you see them everywhere, i would agree with you on those comments if a cab-over was decommissioned etc… but there not and they are still being used.. So why ‘change or fix something… when clearly it is not broken’..?? And as for Michael Bay, no comment……..! Everything was said in previous posts..

What about the ‘A-Team’ van..?? That represented toughness, durability, and the ability to withstand a hell of a lot of damage… and with ironhides persona in the cartoon, modelling him around the ‘A-Team’ kinda makes perfect sense.. Obviously, its a blast from the past’ and yes its old, outdated and so on……. but it could have fit the mould quite well with ironhide.. They could also have easily used minivans from Jeep or Dodge… like the jeep commander, the jeep liberty, the dodge magnum (with the red crystal pearl colour scheme) or even the dodge nitro (with the red crystal pearl colour scheme) all they had to do to counter the ‘lameness’ tag of a minivan is to pimp them up (im not saying have LCD screens on the hood / bonnet or micro LCD screens on the roof rack), just give them a makeover so that they appeal to the masses..
As for ratchet, why not have a humvee style ambulance (with a similar colour scheme to that of his cartoon counterpart) rather then a humvee style response vehicle used for call outs when a storm hits or something..?? You can keep on posting your pointless and baseless dribble, and you can call me old fashioned, but at the end of the day im gonna re-itterate my point ‘Why change / fix something… when clearly it aint broken..??’ If Michael Bay / Speilberg / paramount knew what the whole TF universe was all about, the movie would worked out… but because there were inferior directors, producers and movie studios in charge, the end result was a load of crap.. I have said this in a previous post that they had everything in front of them, the story, the history, the characters, their persona’s, everything…… all they had to do is make it into a live action movie, that’s all.. Surely it’s not that hard to follow a simple formula and simple story, is it..?

Here’s a hyperthetical for you vengeful NERD, keeping with the whole remake & modernising debate… lets say 20 years down the track, a director other then Peter Jackson decides to remake the LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy (which may or may not include the ‘Hobbit’) and this director makes a complete mess of it and a mockery of his ‘interpretation’ of tolkiens novels, i mean don’t know about you, but I’m a big fan of LOTR… However, if that every happened, would you pose the same argument 20 years from now, much like what your doing at present..?? That it needs modernising and whatnot..?? Your reasoning behind your comments are flawed and missing something called logic..
Here’s another question for you… How can you modernise something that has never been done before..?? (with reference to the transformers debate) I mean as I’ve said previously transformers has never been made into a live action flick, so how can you and everyone else argue that boxy characters can’t work even by todays standards and technology..?? I mean have you seen it done..?? Have you seen with your own two eyes that boxy characters physically can’t work..?? Have boxy characters been tried, tested and proven, to finally put this debate to rest that it just can’t be done..?? Somehow I don’t think so.. I do however, understand that boxy characters would not appeal to most especially with todays society and new generation, but if it were done properly people would be pleasantly surprised… Don’t get me wrong the organic designs are awesome, but I have seen a citreon car commercial where the car transformers into a boxy robot with no movement limitations, the transformation process from car – robot – car again is flawless and with little to no restriction, it was a simple boxy design, pretty modern even by todays stanrds, but worked so well..
I am old fashioned to a degree, so “why change or fix something… when clearly it doesn’t”..?? Look at Speilbergs attempt at HG Wells�

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